It's only a really small section so Id think the flat roof is fine. What is the reason for having the pics coplaner? Easier to assemble?
On Saturday, September 9, 2017, Bob Hearn <bob.he...@gmail.com> wrote: > It occurred to me that the pairs of triangles that are almost coplanar > could be made coplanar, and thus made into solid 4x8 panels, if I'm willing > to split the top irregular piece into two pieces. This would seem to be a > bit stronger: > > > > <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Lrh1QPfXpm4/WbQhwJnTIdI/AAAAAAAABJg/WHe90aiqWL0qP045aDXQO7NtHWvCPvtlQCLcBGAs/s1600/Screen%2BShot%2B2017-09-09%2Bat%2B9.48.16%2BAM.png> > > > So, I'm leaning this way now. Thoughts? I guess the flat top is worse for > rain... > > > On Thursday, September 7, 2017 at 5:25:00 PM UTC-7, Bob Hearn wrote: >> >> Cool, thanks, guys! >> >> So, nobody's worried about stability? >> >> I'm going to start modding my H12 as soon as I settle on attachment >> strategy (velcro, etc.). I think maybe I can assemble the entire thing >> myself with velcro, and a short stepladder. The top piece is challenging, >> but could maybe be velcroed from the inside, with tape handles inside the >> top piece to pull on to get enough pressure. For rain proofing, maybe >> attach a small nylon skirt to the top piece, that flops over the edges of >> the adjoining pieces, maybe weighted. Elsewhere, orient the velcro seams to >> keep out rain. Also maybe velcro the tarp to the bottom edges. >> >> I have to figure out the roof-section hinge parity, and play with the >> model to convince myself I can attach it to the walls edge-by-edge, without >> assembling the roof as a unit first. Placing the roof on the base of the >> H12 took four of us. >> >> Bob >> >> >> >> On Thursday, September 7, 2017 at 4:24:56 PM UTC-7, Vinay Gupta wrote: >>> >>> OH I totally wasn't understanding that until I saw the CAD model - I >>> didn't see how the doorway worked. >>> >>> That's great! That would be incredibly useful because doors are hard, >>> and being able to prefab a 4x8 door unit and just drop it into the design >>> would be great. >>> >>> Nice work! >>> >>> V> >>> >>> -- >>> *Vinay Gupta * * hexa...@gmail.com * *http://re.silience.com* >>> <http://re.silience.com> >>> *Free Science and Engineering in the Global Public Interest* >>> UK Cell : +44 (0)7500 895568 Twitter/Skype/Gtalk: hexayurt >>> "In the midst of winter, I finally learned that there was >>> in me an invincible summer" - Albert Camus >>> >>> On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 12:12 AM, Bob Hearn <bob....@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks. However, maybe it's a pipe dream, but I want to be able to set >>>> it up and break it down solo. >>>> >>>> I solved for the dimensional parameters of this "5-1/2 yurt" in >>>> Mathematica (the back-wall angle, 112.4°, determines the rest of the >>>> geometry), and modeled it in Rhino, to figure out area, volume, etc. Here's >>>> a 5'11" guy next to it. >>>> >>>> >>>> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-XvO9NYhcGFk/WbHRJ0Q1HrI/AAAAAAAABIo/XGWXReLupAUn1bpPT2e5ft7jvKpRRn_aQCLcBGAs/s1600/h5.5.png> >>>> >>>> >>>> Here's all the info, compared to other popular designs: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-y7_qiM2txzU/WbHRSa1ROLI/AAAAAAAABIs/A21_M9IJSLoHOWyelPJllY0xZxQ_C_OwACLcBGAs/s1600/h5.5-table.png> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> My collaborator here, Greg, has this to say: >>>> >>>> >>>> "In the H12, the rope loop and guys pull the roof together and down >>>> against the walls, and also pull the (tops of the) walls in towards the >>>> middle. It's a pretty secure arrangement and the net force is straight >>>> down. >>>> >>>> In the new design, I don't see a way to neatly pull all of the pieces >>>> together and end up with a net force straight down... but it may not be a >>>> problem in practice, especially if the panels are attached securely and the >>>> structure starts out relatively stiff. >>>> >>>> I'm mostly worried about where the roof attaches to the top of the door >>>> panel and where the vertical "roof" triangles are stacked on top of the >>>> walls on either side of the door. In the worst case, if the door panel ends >>>> up carrying some weird loads that it can't handle, it could be reinforced >>>> with plywood (as you suggested)." >>>> >>>> >>>> But then, those vertical triangles stacked on top of walls also exist >>>> on the H13, which by now must be considered pretty battle-tested? >>>> >>>> Bob >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thursday, September 7, 2017 at 10:25:47 AM UTC-7, Hunter King wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Velcro has been good to us. ~10 mins setup time. You need one tall >>>>> person inside for teardown and two people outside. >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 6:15 PM, Bob Hearn <bob....@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I just got back from Burning Man 2017, using an H12 I bought from >>>>>> Reno Hexayurt. I was pretty happy with it (especially when attached to my >>>>>> large swamp cooler), but a campmate (also bought Reno H12) and I are >>>>>> wondering how best to (1) increase the door height, and (2) speed up set >>>>>> up >>>>>> / break down, ideally allowing single-person assembly. I guess an H13 >>>>>> would >>>>>> be the default choice for a taller door, but... >>>>>> >>>>>> I've been playing with cardboard models, and came up with this, which >>>>>> I haven't seen anywhere else: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-AXBmIP330Jk/Wa9Iz8VsSxI/AAAAAAAABH4/D_YSoKDo_S0E1vKLX04ltoNaRaNRh6R-wCLcBGAs/s1600/IMG_1429.JPG> >>>>>> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-tW2NVcRT9tI/Wa9I6t2IQvI/AAAAAAAABH8/8tw3MCmUzsExBrgNAt0ZxUsLqAc6WcttACLcBGAs/s1600/IMG_1430.JPG> >>>>>> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-mrAFfSdw-cw/Wa9JBnIWkMI/AAAAAAAABIA/euZcHLAANmQ5dSxUHFNmKhqkfMmV4msbgCLcBGAs/s1600/IMG_1431.JPG> >>>>>> >>>>>> It's kind of a 5-1/2 yurt, I guess, made from 13 panels: five >>>>>> ordinary walls, one vertical panel for the door, roof made from six >>>>>> panels, >>>>>> plus the top piece which is an odd shape (4-8-8 isoceles). >>>>>> >>>>>> One cool thing is that the roof (apart from the top piece) can fold >>>>>> as a single permanently hinged unit, rather than the two needed for an >>>>>> H12: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-FHtB0xx_DEI/Wa9KAzGGZjI/AAAAAAAABII/B3RoEjwFGlU_QX5KwdaeJok6NnVNznwwQCLcBGAs/s1600/IMG_1435.JPG> >>>>>> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-H0nqnGtsYXI/Wa9KHDdYeSI/AAAAAAAABIM/PnweExqevYUvGJPcfjUivb_6eVcG9vm5QCLcBGAs/s1600/IMG_1433.JPG> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> So that's an idea for a taller door, slightly less sf than the H12 >>>>>> (which is more than big enough for me and my wife), and a lot more head >>>>>> room. But, I am worried about stability. Anyone have any thoughts there? >>>>>> >>>>>> As for quicker assembly, we've been thinking zippers, velcro, rods >>>>>> threaded through eyelets, bungie balls, cable ties... I see some good >>>>>> discussion in this forum on velcro. But that would seem to still have one >>>>>> of the disadvantages of taping the non-permanent hinges, namely >>>>>> reachability for the roof section. Zippers you can work from a long pole. >>>>>> Of course for all of these you also have the waterproofing issue. >>>>>> >>>>>> It's a long time to BM 2018, I know, but this is what's in my head >>>>>> now; might as well work on it! >>>>>> >>>>>> Any input would be appreciated; thanks! >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "hexayurt" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to hexayurt+u...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to hexa...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/hexayurt. >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "hexayurt" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to hexayurt+u...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To post to this group, send email to hexa...@googlegroups.com. >>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/hexayurt. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>> >>> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "hexayurt" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to hexayurt+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','hexayurt%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com');>. > To post to this group, send email to hexayurt@googlegroups.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','hexayurt@googlegroups.com');>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/hexayurt. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "hexayurt" group. 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