Would y'all drop this? I have much love for you both, Ronin and HoundDawg, you know that, but you're both talking more from your asses than your heads. More subjective, emotionally based/biased has been hashed out here than objective fact. The fact remains that we're here to help each other run a better server. Hopefully we can get back to doing that, personal arguments notwithstanding.
Eric (the Deacon remix) http://www.firekite.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Ronin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 11:56 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: PB issue non-response from Valve. Shut all our > serversdowntoboycott? > > > > And I'm surprised that you could be so narrow minded. Sad...very very > sad. What I've done at my level doesn't concern you. I've worked with > CS before you knew it was a mod. So, since you're so nitpicky today, > let's reverse the role: > > ---For starters, most of the 3rd party developers with major projects > (not the simple scripts) are not little kids and we're not asking for > money. I still haven't read anywhere from Tony that he was after money. > This is nothing but an assumption and interpretation of his news post.-- > > Not an assumption. Take a look at his post. Business venture, company > name...a bit of deductive reason would show the simplest mind what this > is about. > > --- That's unfortunate, because HLDS still has issues from versions back > that still need addressing. I'd rather see quicker patch releases with > fixes than longer patch releases with new features and a new slew of > bugs. > > If a boycott campaign were initiated, I doubt that it would just be with > this list. There are many ways to reach the server admins out there. > Heck, > we could always just run HLDS and AdminMOD, set the # of users to 1. > Then, > set a MOTD to display as the player is connecting. Set the mp_timelimit > to > 5. Then renmae the hostname to something like "Valve Boycott (url)". I > suppose that the AdminMOD is optional. > > That may be a better way than just shutting down the server. It'll > provide > more information to both the players and other admins.-- > > You could wish to see anything you wanted to. The fact is, Valve has > supported this game and HLDS LONG after it's release, when it didn't > need to. You're not respecting the effort and time that's been put > forth, and it's sad...again...very very sad. You're taking this me me > me attitude when the last time I saw that happen I think I was 4 years > old myself. > > -- I think that you're missing the overall issue here. Although, I > don't have all of the facts regarding PB's issues, based on past > experiences, I do know the typical reaction of Valve to help out 3rd > Party developers, or even the MOD developers and mappers. It is the > fundamental principle of Valve not helping or implementing the requested > fixes and features that their clients request. Also, the priorities are > a little shifted. Another silence isn't going to help their reputation > either. > > I don't know how much development you have done with the SDK. But, > Ronin, > running an information site like UA or counter-server is a completely > different realm. It is a lot easier.-- > > Since when do you know fundamental principle of Valve? Did you get > hired there? Are you their marketing/pr person? Give me a break. If > you'd like to talk about assumptions, friend, there's one staring you in > the face. Again, I see here a selfish attitude that says I want it and > I want it NOW. How about YOU make something like HL and do what Valve > has done. I didn't think so....and as far as 'just running an > information site'..more assumption. Again, you have no clue what I do, > nor have done. Simply because my name is attached to Counter-Server > doesn't mean jack, but it certainly implies some things that a closed > mind might not see. > > -- Those are some pretty ignorant and lame comments there. I was > actually a > little surprised that you said them. =\ -- > > I spoke the truth. This list has become ridiculous. People here think > there is some sort of democracy going on here, and that they are the > Gods of the Server world with CS/HL/TFC/DoD or whatever else they host. > You are the MINORITY here. I don't know how hard it is to understand > that, but it's the plain and simple truth. I'm horrified that someone > even proposed the boycott idea, and to be honest, it's not the first > time. So, about running information sites? Go back and run yours, > please. > > > Ryan "Ronin" Antonelli > Counter-Server Site Administrator > http://server.counter-strike.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: HoundDawg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 8:06 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: PB issue non-response from Valve. Shut all our > serversdowntoboycott? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ronin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > You know what this sounds like? A bunch of kids who aren't getting > > their way. You are now trying to force Valve into an answer. They > > already gave one, as posted by Tony Ray. They have chosen to not > > financial support PB and its efforts. So what? They are not required > > to, nor should they have to. If Tony and his folks got involved with > PB > > in the hopes of making money off of Valve, that's a poor, poor > business > > plan. > > For starters, most of the 3rd party developers with major projects (not > the > simple scripts) are not little kids and we're not asking for money. I > still > haven't read anywhere from Tony that he was after money. This is > nothing > but an assumption and interpretation of his news post. > > > I'd also like to note that Tony patched PB more than Valve ever did. > > While offering a great tool, PB was just as infallible as the HL > engine, > > folks. Get a grip and collect the information. What you choose to do > > is your business. If you want to bring your servers down, fine. This > > list, whether you know it or not, is comprised of a very small > minority > > of the server admin community, not the majority. What you're > proposing > > wouldn't even put a dent in the server population, and it probably > > wouldn't be noticed. > > That's unfortunate, because HLDS still has issues from versions back > that > still need addressing. I'd rather see quicker patch releases with fixes > than longer patch releases with new features and a new slew of bugs. > > If a boycott campaign were initiated, I doubt that it would just be with > this list. There are many ways to reach the server admins out there. > Heck, > we could always just run HLDS and AdminMOD, set the # of users to 1. > Then, > set a MOTD to display as the player is connecting. Set the mp_timelimit > to > 5. Then renmae the hostname to something like "Valve Boycott (url)". I > suppose that the AdminMOD is optional. > > That may be a better way than just shutting down the server. It'll > provide > more information to both the players and other admins. > > > You will not force Valve into doing something they do not want to do. > > This is not a democracy, nor will they be bullied. Capitalistic > > bastards? Who are you, and do you have a clue what you're talking > > about? Give me a break. There isn't an online game out there that > does > > not have cheats. It's a known fact. Q3, UT, you name it, it's out > > I think that you're missing the overall issue here. Although, I don't > have > all of the facts regarding PB's issues, based on past experiences, I do > know > the typical reaction of Valve to help out 3rd Party developers, or even > the > MOD developers and mappers. It is the fundamental principle of Valve > not > helping or implementing the requested fixes and features that their > clients > request. Also, the priorities are a little shifted. Another silence > isn't > going to help their reputation either. > > I don't know how much development you have done with the SDK. But, > Ronin, > running an information site like UA or counter-server is a completely > different realm. It is a lot easier. > > > there. I shudder to think the other communities react the way the > > children here have. I've lost quite a bit of respect for some of you > > folks on the list, and I'm ashamed to say I'm even affiliated at this > > point. Sad, folks..just plain sad. > > Those are some pretty ignorant and lame comments there. I was actually > a > little surprised that you said them. =\ > > HoundDawg > http://www.phpGamingSite.com > http://www.unitedadmins.com > http://www.unitedadmins.com/hlbp > > >
