rightly said erik.. and on that note i answer Lances question in my next post>>>
Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Hall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 6:48 PM Subject: RE: PB issue non-response from Valve. Shut all our serversdowntoboycott? > > Would y'all drop this? I have much love for you both, Ronin and HoundDawg, you > know that, but you're both talking more from your asses than your heads. More > subjective, emotionally based/biased has been hashed out here than objective > fact. The fact remains that we're here to help each other run a better server. > Hopefully we can get back to doing that, personal arguments notwithstanding. > > Eric (the Deacon remix) > http://www.firekite.com > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ronin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 11:56 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: RE: PB issue non-response from Valve. Shut all our > > serversdowntoboycott? > > > > > > > > And I'm surprised that you could be so narrow minded. Sad...very very > > sad. What I've done at my level doesn't concern you. I've worked with > > CS before you knew it was a mod. So, since you're so nitpicky today, > > let's reverse the role: > > > > ---For starters, most of the 3rd party developers with major projects > > (not the simple scripts) are not little kids and we're not asking for > > money. I still haven't read anywhere from Tony that he was after money. > > This is nothing but an assumption and interpretation of his news post.-- > > > > Not an assumption. Take a look at his post. Business venture, company > > name...a bit of deductive reason would show the simplest mind what this > > is about. > > > > --- That's unfortunate, because HLDS still has issues from versions back > > that still need addressing. I'd rather see quicker patch releases with > > fixes than longer patch releases with new features and a new slew of > > bugs. > > > > If a boycott campaign were initiated, I doubt that it would just be with > > this list. There are many ways to reach the server admins out there. > > Heck, > > we could always just run HLDS and AdminMOD, set the # of users to 1. > > Then, > > set a MOTD to display as the player is connecting. Set the mp_timelimit > > to > > 5. Then renmae the hostname to something like "Valve Boycott (url)". I > > suppose that the AdminMOD is optional. > > > > That may be a better way than just shutting down the server. It'll > > provide > > more information to both the players and other admins.-- > > > > You could wish to see anything you wanted to. The fact is, Valve has > > supported this game and HLDS LONG after it's release, when it didn't > > need to. You're not respecting the effort and time that's been put > > forth, and it's sad...again...very very sad. You're taking this me me > > me attitude when the last time I saw that happen I think I was 4 years > > old myself. > > > > -- I think that you're missing the overall issue here. Although, I > > don't have all of the facts regarding PB's issues, based on past > > experiences, I do know the typical reaction of Valve to help out 3rd > > Party developers, or even the MOD developers and mappers. It is the > > fundamental principle of Valve not helping or implementing the requested > > fixes and features that their clients request. Also, the priorities are > > a little shifted. Another silence isn't going to help their reputation > > either. > > > > I don't know how much development you have done with the SDK. But, > > Ronin, > > running an information site like UA or counter-server is a completely > > different realm. It is a lot easier.-- > > > > Since when do you know fundamental principle of Valve? Did you get > > hired there? Are you their marketing/pr person? Give me a break. If > > you'd like to talk about assumptions, friend, there's one staring you in > > the face. Again, I see here a selfish attitude that says I want it and > > I want it NOW. How about YOU make something like HL and do what Valve > > has done. I didn't think so....and as far as 'just running an > > information site'..more assumption. Again, you have no clue what I do, > > nor have done. Simply because my name is attached to Counter-Server > > doesn't mean jack, but it certainly implies some things that a closed > > mind might not see. > > > > -- Those are some pretty ignorant and lame comments there. I was > > actually a > > little surprised that you said them. =\ -- > > > > I spoke the truth. This list has become ridiculous. People here think > > there is some sort of democracy going on here, and that they are the > > Gods of the Server world with CS/HL/TFC/DoD or whatever else they host. > > You are the MINORITY here. I don't know how hard it is to understand > > that, but it's the plain and simple truth. I'm horrified that someone > > even proposed the boycott idea, and to be honest, it's not the first > > time. So, about running information sites? Go back and run yours, > > please. > > > > > > Ryan "Ronin" Antonelli > > Counter-Server Site Administrator > > http://server.counter-strike.net > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: HoundDawg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 8:06 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: PB issue non-response from Valve. Shut all our > > serversdowntoboycott? > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ronin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > You know what this sounds like? A bunch of kids who aren't getting > > > their way. You are now trying to force Valve into an answer. They > > > already gave one, as posted by Tony Ray. They have chosen to not > > > financial support PB and its efforts. So what? They are not required > > > to, nor should they have to. If Tony and his folks got involved with > > PB > > > in the hopes of making money off of Valve, that's a poor, poor > > business > > > plan. > > > > For starters, most of the 3rd party developers with major projects (not > > the > > simple scripts) are not little kids and we're not asking for money. I > > still > > haven't read anywhere from Tony that he was after money. This is > > nothing > > but an assumption and interpretation of his news post. > > > > > I'd also like to note that Tony patched PB more than Valve ever did. > > > While offering a great tool, PB was just as infallible as the HL > > engine, > > > folks. Get a grip and collect the information. What you choose to do > > > is your business. If you want to bring your servers down, fine. This > > > list, whether you know it or not, is comprised of a very small > > minority > > > of the server admin community, not the majority. What you're > > proposing > > > wouldn't even put a dent in the server population, and it probably > > > wouldn't be noticed. > > > > That's unfortunate, because HLDS still has issues from versions back > > that > > still need addressing. I'd rather see quicker patch releases with fixes > > than longer patch releases with new features and a new slew of bugs. > > > > If a boycott campaign were initiated, I doubt that it would just be with > > this list. There are many ways to reach the server admins out there. > > Heck, > > we could always just run HLDS and AdminMOD, set the # of users to 1. > > Then, > > set a MOTD to display as the player is connecting. Set the mp_timelimit > > to > > 5. Then renmae the hostname to something like "Valve Boycott (url)". I > > suppose that the AdminMOD is optional. > > > > That may be a better way than just shutting down the server. It'll > > provide > > more information to both the players and other admins. > > > > > You will not force Valve into doing something they do not want to do. > > > This is not a democracy, nor will they be bullied. Capitalistic > > > bastards? Who are you, and do you have a clue what you're talking > > > about? Give me a break. There isn't an online game out there that > > does > > > not have cheats. It's a known fact. Q3, UT, you name it, it's out > > > > I think that you're missing the overall issue here. Although, I don't > > have > > all of the facts regarding PB's issues, based on past experiences, I do > > know > > the typical reaction of Valve to help out 3rd Party developers, or even > > the > > MOD developers and mappers. It is the fundamental principle of Valve > > not > > helping or implementing the requested fixes and features that their > > clients > > request. Also, the priorities are a little shifted. Another silence > > isn't > > going to help their reputation either. > > > > I don't know how much development you have done with the SDK. But, > > Ronin, > > running an information site like UA or counter-server is a completely > > different realm. It is a lot easier. > > > > > there. I shudder to think the other communities react the way the > > > children here have. I've lost quite a bit of respect for some of you > > > folks on the list, and I'm ashamed to say I'm even affiliated at this > > > point. Sad, folks..just plain sad. > > > > Those are some pretty ignorant and lame comments there. I was actually > > a > > little surprised that you said them. =\ > > > > HoundDawg > > http://www.phpGamingSite.com > > http://www.unitedadmins.com > > http://www.unitedadmins.com/hlbp > > > > > > > >
