Erik, I'm only going on past experience that I and a few others have had. We've sent several suggestions and issues via email. Some even had the sourcecode to add to the SDK. It's been a few patches now and we still didn't hear anything or seen any of the changes made. They were pretty innocent and tested additions too.
Also, I've been following some of the other developers of MODs and mappers that have run into issues where their problems haven't been resolved. Sorry if it sounds ridiculous, but, if you want a list of all outstanding suggestions, issues, and feature requests, I'm sure one or a few can be arranged. =\ Eric Hall described it pretty well too. I suppose that the underlying concern is why add more features and bugs to HL before you fix the current issues and perfect HL to work better for all of the 3rd party developers (utility and MOD the like)? HoundDawg http://www.phpGamingSite.com http://www.unitedadmins.com http://www.unitedadmins.com/hlbp ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erik Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 9:32 AM Subject: RE: PB issue non-response from Valve. Shut all our serversdowntoboycott? > > This is pretty ridiculous to say that we don't do anything to help third > party developers for our games. > > Erik > > -----Original Message----- > From: HoundDawg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 8:06 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: PB issue non-response from Valve. Shut all our serversdownto > boycott? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ronin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > You know what this sounds like? A bunch of kids who aren't getting > > their way. You are now trying to force Valve into an answer. They > > already gave one, as posted by Tony Ray. They have chosen to not > > financial support PB and its efforts. So what? They are not required > > to, nor should they have to. If Tony and his folks got involved with PB > > in the hopes of making money off of Valve, that's a poor, poor business > > plan. > > For starters, most of the 3rd party developers with major projects (not the > simple scripts) are not little kids and we're not asking for money. I still > haven't read anywhere from Tony that he was after money. This is nothing > but an assumption and interpretation of his news post. > > > I'd also like to note that Tony patched PB more than Valve ever did. > > While offering a great tool, PB was just as infallible as the HL engine, > > folks. Get a grip and collect the information. What you choose to do > > is your business. If you want to bring your servers down, fine. This > > list, whether you know it or not, is comprised of a very small minority > > of the server admin community, not the majority. What you're proposing > > wouldn't even put a dent in the server population, and it probably > > wouldn't be noticed. > > That's unfortunate, because HLDS still has issues from versions back that > still need addressing. I'd rather see quicker patch releases with fixes > than longer patch releases with new features and a new slew of bugs. > > If a boycott campaign were initiated, I doubt that it would just be with > this list. There are many ways to reach the server admins out there. Heck, > we could always just run HLDS and AdminMOD, set the # of users to 1. Then, > set a MOTD to display as the player is connecting. Set the mp_timelimit to > 5. Then renmae the hostname to something like "Valve Boycott (url)". I > suppose that the AdminMOD is optional. > > That may be a better way than just shutting down the server. It'll provide > more information to both the players and other admins. > > > You will not force Valve into doing something they do not want to do. > > This is not a democracy, nor will they be bullied. Capitalistic > > bastards? Who are you, and do you have a clue what you're talking > > about? Give me a break. There isn't an online game out there that does > > not have cheats. It's a known fact. Q3, UT, you name it, it's out > > I think that you're missing the overall issue here. Although, I don't have > all of the facts regarding PB's issues, based on past experiences, I do know > the typical reaction of Valve to help out 3rd Party developers, or even the > MOD developers and mappers. It is the fundamental principle of Valve not > helping or implementing the requested fixes and features that their clients > request. Also, the priorities are a little shifted. Another silence isn't > going to help their reputation either. > > I don't know how much development you have done with the SDK. But, Ronin, > running an information site like UA or counter-server is a completely > different realm. It is a lot easier. > > > there. I shudder to think the other communities react the way the > > children here have. I've lost quite a bit of respect for some of you > > folks on the list, and I'm ashamed to say I'm even affiliated at this > > point. Sad, folks..just plain sad. > > Those are some pretty ignorant and lame comments there. I was actually a > little surprised that you said them. =\ > > HoundDawg > http://www.phpGamingSite.com > http://www.unitedadmins.com > http://www.unitedadmins.com/hlbp > > > >
