That's funny.... now the HLDS Listserv won't let this thread die....
HoundDawg http://www.phpGamingSite.com http://www.unitedadmins.com http://www.unitedadmins.com/hlbp ----- Original Message ----- From: "HoundDawg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 10:09 AM Subject: Re: PB issue non-response from Valve. Shut all our serversdowntoboycott? > > Erik, I'm only going on past experience that I and a few others have had. > We've sent several suggestions and issues via email. Some even had the > sourcecode to add to the SDK. It's been a few patches now and we still > didn't hear anything or seen any of the changes made. They were pretty > innocent and tested additions too. > > Also, I've been following some of the other developers of MODs and mappers > that have run into issues where their problems haven't been resolved. Sorry > if it sounds ridiculous, but, if you want a list of all outstanding > suggestions, issues, and feature requests, I'm sure one or a few can be > arranged. =\ > > Eric Hall described it pretty well too. > > I suppose that the underlying concern is why add more features and bugs to > HL before you fix the current issues and perfect HL to work better for all > of the 3rd party developers (utility and MOD the like)? > > > HoundDawg > http://www.phpGamingSite.com > http://www.unitedadmins.com > http://www.unitedadmins.com/hlbp > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Erik Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 9:32 AM > Subject: RE: PB issue non-response from Valve. Shut all our > serversdowntoboycott? > > > > > > This is pretty ridiculous to say that we don't do anything to help third > > party developers for our games. > > > > Erik > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: HoundDawg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 8:06 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: PB issue non-response from Valve. Shut all our serversdownto > > boycott? > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ronin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > You know what this sounds like? A bunch of kids who aren't getting > > > their way. You are now trying to force Valve into an answer. They > > > already gave one, as posted by Tony Ray. They have chosen to not > > > financial support PB and its efforts. So what? They are not required > > > to, nor should they have to. If Tony and his folks got involved with PB > > > in the hopes of making money off of Valve, that's a poor, poor business > > > plan. > > > > For starters, most of the 3rd party developers with major projects (not > the > > simple scripts) are not little kids and we're not asking for money. I > still > > haven't read anywhere from Tony that he was after money. This is nothing > > but an assumption and interpretation of his news post. > > > > > I'd also like to note that Tony patched PB more than Valve ever did. > > > While offering a great tool, PB was just as infallible as the HL engine, > > > folks. Get a grip and collect the information. What you choose to do > > > is your business. If you want to bring your servers down, fine. This > > > list, whether you know it or not, is comprised of a very small minority > > > of the server admin community, not the majority. What you're proposing > > > wouldn't even put a dent in the server population, and it probably > > > wouldn't be noticed. > > > > That's unfortunate, because HLDS still has issues from versions back that > > still need addressing. I'd rather see quicker patch releases with fixes > > than longer patch releases with new features and a new slew of bugs. > > > > If a boycott campaign were initiated, I doubt that it would just be with > > this list. There are many ways to reach the server admins out there. > Heck, > > we could always just run HLDS and AdminMOD, set the # of users to 1. > Then, > > set a MOTD to display as the player is connecting. Set the mp_timelimit to > > 5. Then renmae the hostname to something like "Valve Boycott (url)". I > > suppose that the AdminMOD is optional. > > > > That may be a better way than just shutting down the server. It'll > provide > > more information to both the players and other admins. > > > > > You will not force Valve into doing something they do not want to do. > > > This is not a democracy, nor will they be bullied. Capitalistic > > > bastards? Who are you, and do you have a clue what you're talking > > > about? Give me a break. There isn't an online game out there that does > > > not have cheats. It's a known fact. Q3, UT, you name it, it's out > > > > I think that you're missing the overall issue here. Although, I don't > have > > all of the facts regarding PB's issues, based on past experiences, I do > know > > the typical reaction of Valve to help out 3rd Party developers, or even > the > > MOD developers and mappers. It is the fundamental principle of Valve not > > helping or implementing the requested fixes and features that their > clients > > request. Also, the priorities are a little shifted. Another silence > isn't > > going to help their reputation either. > > > > I don't know how much development you have done with the SDK. But, Ronin, > > running an information site like UA or counter-server is a completely > > different realm. It is a lot easier. > > > > > there. I shudder to think the other communities react the way the > > > children here have. I've lost quite a bit of respect for some of you > > > folks on the list, and I'm ashamed to say I'm even affiliated at this > > > point. Sad, folks..just plain sad. > > > > Those are some pretty ignorant and lame comments there. I was actually a > > little surprised that you said them. =\ > > > > HoundDawg > > http://www.phpGamingSite.com > > http://www.unitedadmins.com > > http://www.unitedadmins.com/hlbp > > > > > > > > > > > >
