Can somebody who is more familiar with Databases and Database security please explain to me/us why it is difficult for Valve to secure their STEAM_ID system?
Doesn't Valve have complete control over the STEAM User and STEAM_ID database? Doesn't Valve know which STEAM_ID's belong to which STEAM Users? Don't Valve know whether a STEAM Account has been created legitimately on their STEAM User database or not? Can't Valve verify that people in a server are using STEAM_ID's that were created legitimately and belong to the STEAM User they purport to be? >From my basic knowledge of databases and network security all this should be extremely simple to setup and secure and the database would not ever be that large (10 million records is nothing in the scheme of databases) and no matter what is occurring on the client (which is how nosteam works AFAIK it is all client side) it should be damn simple to stop illegitimate users connecting or at least staying connected to a server if the correct procedures were put in place! Anybody got any reason why this would be a difficult thing to do? Anybody got any insights into how nosteam works and why it's so difficult for Valve to block its use? Nobody I have spoken to about this issue who knows anything about databases, database & network security understands when I put to them the scenario, why this is a problem. On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 23:57:26 -0700, Alex Herlan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Haha yea... > > I am very pissed that Valve hasn't had more support for Steam related > technology since the release of Half-Life 2... I mean Steam has been buggy > and weird in general, and had poor anti-cheat protection for a while now... > but now that I've forked over $60 for half-life 2, I kind of expect a lot of > these things to be resolved by now, or being fixed very quickly as we speak. > > Don't get me wrong, I see the potential of steam as being something really > great.. but right now with the flakey friends network being practically > unusable, and no anti-cheat/hack protection, its all totally worthless... > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roc > Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 10:39 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [hlds] When will the "nosteam" hacks be fixed? > > You must not forget to get the media involved (c-net, zd-net, abc, cbs, > post, times, etc..). Only then will it truly work. > > Happy Holidays > > Andrew R. Mitcham wrote: > > >I'm all for a shut down of my servers in protest. I think I have bitched > >and moaned about the negligence of VAC for years... and every time I do, > >someone says "Oh, they are working on it... be patient". 2 years > >later... MORE hackers than pre-steam. > > > >I participate in Steambans.com (I'm ranked #1 on there :D) which was > >great for a while. But now that I hear people can get a new STEAMID so > >easily, I have noticed return hackers... especially the ones that have > >the name changing script. > > > >While all of us stopping our servers for a day is a small percentage, > >I'm pretty sure we are the owners of some of the BETTER pubs out there. > >I know my CSDM server is hugely popular and its absence for a day would > >cause a lot of people to wonder. Multiply that by everyone on this list > >(OK, not everyone) it could cause a little publicity. > > > >We should email fan sites (csnation.net, hlfallout.net, halflife2.net, > >etc) and let them know that this event may occur and the reason why. > > > >Seriously, SOMETHING needs to be done and I won't take "someone is > >working on it" for an answer by someone who doesn't work for VALVe. > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roc > >Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 10:25 PM > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: Re: [hlds] When will the "nosteam" hacks be fixed? > > > >IMO, this Friday is too soon, we need some organization and lots of > >folks (web sites) to spread the word > > > >Happy Holidays > > > >K. Mike Bradley wrote: > > > > > > > >>It wont hurt and it mite send a message. > >>There has been a discussion for over 8 months now so that don't work > >> > >> > >... > > > > > >>Show some solidarity admins! > >> > >>DO SOMETHING TO BREAK THE IMPASSE! > >> > >> > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roc > >>Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 8:38 PM > >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>Subject: Re: [hlds] When will the "nosteam" hacks be fixed? > >> > >>Thats just it, you won't hear a peep from them! On a serious note, I > >> > >> > >am > > > > > >>open to "anything" that would work. > >> > >>Happy Holidays > >> > >>J Marcus wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>>Nah that is not the answer..it would just help the empty servers. Why > >>> > >>> > >not > > > > > >>>have a open discussion about it on this mailing list. Not looking to > >>> > >>> > >go > > > > > >>> > >>> > >>into > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>>anything specific but to have absolutely no response or participation > >>> > >>> > >in > > > > > >>> > >>> > >>the > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>>dialog from Valve just doesn't sit well with me. Or did I miss > >>> > >>> > >something.. > > > > > >>>jefe > >>> > >>>-----Original Message----- > >>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roc > >>>Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 6:00 PM > >>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>Subject: Re: [hlds] When will the "nosteam" hacks be fixed? > >>> > >>>Mike, a day is not enough, lets say a week! > >>> > >>>K. Mike Bradley wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>If you server admins really wanted to do something stop your servers > >>>> > >>>> > >for > > > > > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>one > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>day ... Lets say this Friday. > >>>> > >>>>See what Valve does then. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>-- > >>>No virus found in this outgoing message. > >>>Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > >>>Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.5.3 - Release Date: 12/14/2004 > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>please visit: > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>>http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >>please visit: > >>http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >> > >> > >please visit: > > > > > >>http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > >http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.809 / Virus Database: 551 - Release Date: 12/9/2004 > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.809 / Virus Database: 551 - Release Date: 12/9/2004 > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
