I second that - Thanks Alfred :] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mikee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 2:15 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch
> Thanks for your feedback. Despite our frustration that should mainly be > directed towards the myg0t types, we do appreciate your posts here, Alfred. > Please don't leave us. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alfred Reynolds" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 9:16 PM > Subject: RE: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch > > > > Nosteam and the like will be considered cheats (and users will be banned > > for using them). > > > > - Alfred > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Armstrong > > Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 6:04 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch > > > > Will VAC2 prevent the use of nosteam though? > > > > Not much point in having them banned if they come right back in 10 > > minutes. > > > > -Plasma > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 12:40 PM > > Subject: RE: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch > > > > > >> [quote] If you have any cheats for multiplayer games installed on your > > > >> computer, now would be a good time to uninstall and stop using them. > >> [/quote] > >> > >> So is Valve taking the stand that once a cheater is OK as long as it's > > > >> not during our pre-released timeframe that we'll be watching period? > >> How about you start logging last week and then take that information > >> into effect > > next > >> week so you smoke ALL of the detected cheats currently in use instead > >> of letting them shut them off long enough for you to start your > >> testing and give myg0t time to find a way around that too so they can > >> all turn them on again. Our view is that if you're low-life enough to > >> have EVER use them > > than > >> you have violated the TOS of the purchased game and they should be > >> dealt with as such. But then again this is Valve we're talking about > >> and they > > only > >> give a "bite" with no teeth. You have a published TOS that you need to > > stand > >> behind and MAKE the cheats/hacks an issue of the past. Not give them > > warning > >> that the update is coming. We've dealt with these people for nearly a > >> year without your help and now you give them the opportunity to > > 'redeem' > >> themselves. Sure, ok. If they discontinue use of cheats that your > >> company has allowed to propagate then who are we to complain right? > >> Ultimately, > > you > >> left the people that give your clients a place to play in the wind and > > some > >> of us stuck through it all. (We support 1.6 but not CSS) We gave you > > nearly > >> a year to do something about it. The facts speak for themselves. > >> > >> To all employees of ValveSoftware: You are obviously not able to deal > >> with the cheating/hacking of your software. Your history has proved to > > > >> the > > entire > >> community that you are unable/unwilling to take the necessary measures > > > >> to dela with cheating/hacking. I implore you to acquire some type of > >> association with the AC community to save your game from > > self-destruction. > > I > >> can say without reservation that I personally know that over 50% of > >> the people I know that were avid CS players have left the game for > >> CoD, BF/DC, Bia. That perspective shows me that there is a complete > >> lack of confidence that Valve will follow through with their TOS > >> and/or they are unable to do so. The fact remains that for your game > >> to continue to be the leading edge of online gaming that AC needs to > >> be TOP priority. History has shown your view otherwise. IMMEDIATE, > >> SWIFT, and DECISIVE action is required to deal with the onslaught of > >> cheating/hacking in the game that you are in control of. If you can't > >> handle the job then it only makes sense to give the job > > to > >> a dedicated team that can. That does no harm to your firm but affirms > >> your company's desire to keep pure the game that you spend so much > >> time/money > > in > >> developing. > >> > >> I hope these words do not fall on deaf ears. > >> > >> Ray S. > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alfred > >> Reynolds > >> Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 7:32 PM > >> To: [email protected] > >> Subject: RE: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch > >> > >> VAC2 is top priority right now, check your Steam client for the > >> message we released today about it. > >> > >> - Alfred > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 4:26 PM > >> To: [email protected] > >> Subject: RE: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch > >> > >> Sure, great, whatever. I've been here for years as well and I've seen > >> about > >> 11 months go by since the last VAC update. So how about that quote in > >> late December of "VAC2 is coming 'soon'"? > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ook > >> Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 5:19 PM > >> To: [email protected] > >> Subject: Re: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch > >> > >> If you consider what goes through this list a "torrent", what do you > >> consider what goes through the SteamPowered forums? :-) > >> > >> I would imagine that Valve has very strict rules governing who can > >> post here and what they can say. Most companies do, or at least once > >> their lawyers soak them for a million dollars for something some > >> mouthy employee posts, then they have such policies :) > >> > >> I've been on this list for a couple of years, and we have seen several > > > >> Valve people come and go. For the most part we have received silence, > >> and then every now and then someone like you pops up and actually > >> contributes to the list, answers questions, and addresses issues. For > >> a while. Then one day they vanish, and we get nothing but silence for > >> another six months. I imagine most of us that have been around here > >> for a while are 1) glad we get what support we do get and 2) have lost > > > >> a lot of respect for Valve because of the many prolonged episodes of > >> silence that we get. I think I speak for most if not all of us when I > >> say we are very gratefull for your presence here, and all you > > contribute. > >> > >> And don't forget - we are on the outside looking in, and all we know > >> is what you tell us. You might take for granted information that none > >> of us have access to. Maybe you aren't allowed to talk about things > >> like how many programmers you have, what they work on, what their > >> plans are priorities are, etc. Over the years we have discussed many > >> problems here and we come away from these discussions frustrated and > >> angry because Valve won't tell us what is going on. > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Alfred Reynolds" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: <[email protected]> > >> Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 1:32 PM > >> Subject: RE: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch > >> > >> > >> > This is the dedicated server list, not a HL2DM one (we are accepting > > > >> > of all mods on this list ;-) Actually lots of people in the company > >> > subscribe to this list but only a couple of us are game enough to > >> > dabble our toes in the proverbial torrent of this list. There is > >> > also no shooting of messengers, Valve has a very flat and > >> > egalitarian structure (I am a programmer working on a large range of > > > >> > projects, I just also happen to participate in this list). > >> > > >> > - Alfred > >> > > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Graham > >> > Robinson > >> > Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 12:21 PM > >> > To: [email protected] > >> > Subject: Re: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch > >> > > >> > Alfred, > >> > > >> > I'm sure that I speak for everyone on this mailing list when I say > >> > thank you for actually listening and responding to us. But when you > >> > say that the HL2DM team are preparing the update*, where are they? > >> > Don't they subscribe to their own mailing list? You seem to be the > >> > messenger, which inevitably means you will be shot (probably with > >> > some > >> > >> > form of awp) for just passing on someone else's information. > >> > > >> > * Obviously you said 'we' here but you have said this in different > >> > emails. > >> > > >> > Graham > >> > > >> > On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 12:05:35 -0800, Alfred Reynolds > >> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> >> We are preparing the release right now, it will be out later today. > >> >> > >> >> - Alfred > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > >> > archives, > >> > >> > please visit: > >> > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > >> > archives, > >> > >> > please visit: > >> > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > > >> please visit: > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > > >> please visit: > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > > >> please visit: > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
