Nosteam and the like will be considered cheats (and users will be banned
for using them).
- Alfred
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Armstrong
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 6:04 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch
Will VAC2 prevent the use of nosteam though?
Not much point in having them banned if they come right back in 10
minutes.
-Plasma
----- Original Message -----
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 12:40 PM
Subject: RE: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch
[quote] If you have any cheats for multiplayer games installed on your
computer, now would be a good time to uninstall and stop using them.
[/quote]
So is Valve taking the stand that once a cheater is OK as long as it's
not during our pre-released timeframe that we'll be watching period?
How about you start logging last week and then take that information
into effect
next
week so you smoke ALL of the detected cheats currently in use instead
of letting them shut them off long enough for you to start your
testing and give myg0t time to find a way around that too so they can
all turn them on again. Our view is that if you're low-life enough to
have EVER use them
than
you have violated the TOS of the purchased game and they should be
dealt with as such. But then again this is Valve we're talking about
and they
only
give a "bite" with no teeth. You have a published TOS that you need to
stand
behind and MAKE the cheats/hacks an issue of the past. Not give them
warning
that the update is coming. We've dealt with these people for nearly a
year without your help and now you give them the opportunity to
'redeem'
themselves. Sure, ok. If they discontinue use of cheats that your
company has allowed to propagate then who are we to complain right?
Ultimately,
you
left the people that give your clients a place to play in the wind and
some
of us stuck through it all. (We support 1.6 but not CSS) We gave you
nearly
a year to do something about it. The facts speak for themselves.
To all employees of ValveSoftware: You are obviously not able to deal
with the cheating/hacking of your software. Your history has proved to
the
entire
community that you are unable/unwilling to take the necessary measures
to dela with cheating/hacking. I implore you to acquire some type of
association with the AC community to save your game from
self-destruction.
I
can say without reservation that I personally know that over 50% of
the people I know that were avid CS players have left the game for
CoD, BF/DC, Bia. That perspective shows me that there is a complete
lack of confidence that Valve will follow through with their TOS
and/or they are unable to do so. The fact remains that for your game
to continue to be the leading edge of online gaming that AC needs to
be TOP priority. History has shown your view otherwise. IMMEDIATE,
SWIFT, and DECISIVE action is required to deal with the onslaught of
cheating/hacking in the game that you are in control of. If you can't
handle the job then it only makes sense to give the job
to
a dedicated team that can. That does no harm to your firm but affirms
your company's desire to keep pure the game that you spend so much
time/money
in
developing.
I hope these words do not fall on deaf ears.
Ray S.
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alfred
Reynolds
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 7:32 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch
VAC2 is top priority right now, check your Steam client for the
message we released today about it.
- Alfred
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 4:26 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch
Sure, great, whatever. I've been here for years as well and I've seen
about
11 months go by since the last VAC update. So how about that quote in
late December of "VAC2 is coming 'soon'"?
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ook
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 5:19 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch
If you consider what goes through this list a "torrent", what do you
consider what goes through the SteamPowered forums? :-)
I would imagine that Valve has very strict rules governing who can
post here and what they can say. Most companies do, or at least once
their lawyers soak them for a million dollars for something some
mouthy employee posts, then they have such policies :)
I've been on this list for a couple of years, and we have seen several
Valve people come and go. For the most part we have received silence,
and then every now and then someone like you pops up and actually
contributes to the list, answers questions, and addresses issues. For
a while. Then one day they vanish, and we get nothing but silence for
another six months. I imagine most of us that have been around here
for a while are 1) glad we get what support we do get and 2) have lost
a lot of respect for Valve because of the many prolonged episodes of
silence that we get. I think I speak for most if not all of us when I
say we are very gratefull for your presence here, and all you
contribute.
And don't forget - we are on the outside looking in, and all we know
is what you tell us. You might take for granted information that none
of us have access to. Maybe you aren't allowed to talk about things
like how many programmers you have, what they work on, what their
plans are priorities are, etc. Over the years we have discussed many
problems here and we come away from these discussions frustrated and
angry because Valve won't tell us what is going on.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alfred Reynolds" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 1:32 PM
Subject: RE: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch
> This is the dedicated server list, not a HL2DM one (we are accepting
> of all mods on this list ;-) Actually lots of people in the company
> subscribe to this list but only a couple of us are game enough to
> dabble our toes in the proverbial torrent of this list. There is
> also no shooting of messengers, Valve has a very flat and
> egalitarian structure (I am a programmer working on a large range of
> projects, I just also happen to participate in this list).
>
> - Alfred
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Graham
> Robinson
> Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 12:21 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch
>
> Alfred,
>
> I'm sure that I speak for everyone on this mailing list when I say
> thank you for actually listening and responding to us. But when you
> say that the HL2DM team are preparing the update*, where are they?
> Don't they subscribe to their own mailing list? You seem to be the
> messenger, which inevitably means you will be shot (probably with
> some
> form of awp) for just passing on someone else's information.
>
> * Obviously you said 'we' here but you have said this in different
> emails.
>
> Graham
>
> On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 12:05:35 -0800, Alfred Reynolds
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> We are preparing the release right now, it will be out later today.
>>
>> - Alfred
>
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