Please excuse my unsolicited (and lengthy) comments... I believe both sides of this discussion have valid points but we would all be better off if we stopped flaming each other and just stuck to pertinent comments, pro or con as it were.
I too believe Valve does an excellent job but I have also been extremely frustrated by (some) updates that are as likely to introduce a problem as they are to fix one. Could I do it better than Valve? Probably not... but I couldn't perform my own brain surgery either... that doesn't mean I'd accept poor brain surgery from my brain surgeon. One of the U.S. Astronauts upon landing on the Moon described the scene as "Magnificent Desolation"... at times that's how I feel about Microsoft. It's truly magnificent in it's scope and it has improved immeasurably over the years but it's glaring weakness relative to security more often than not creates problems for the average user while barely slowing down those with malevolent intent. On the stability front... the average (and even above average) PC user today appears to be unaware that you should "never" require an unscheduled re-boot a computer... that a re-boot is indicative of a serious problem that the OS didn't handle properly. Microsoft's extremely useful XP feature... Restore Points... is basically an admission that they can't stop malicious code, so the next best thing is to keep a snapshot of the system at various points in order to turn back time to a point before the problem. Not a bad idea given the porous nature of the OS... but what does it tell you about Microsoft's ability to prevent the problem in the first place? Can any of you professional IT guys out there imagine a scenario by which you needed to re-boot your mainframe or even your mid-range computers on a regular basis? Such a condition would never be tolerated in a professional, mission critical environment... but with PC's, it's expected. This may be the root reason why so many Unix guys can't stand Microsoft... Unix is more a mainframe OS (but can run on a PC) and as such appeals more to the mainframe mentality of 100% availability 100% of the time but Microsoft is exclusively a PC OS and must hold sway to a wider variety of operator capabilities... including your aunt Tessi who has trouble with left handed door knobs. So we have two distinct and different OS environments, each with it's strengths and weakness, being compared in a head-to-head competition which neither can win on merit alone. In the final analysis personal preference and professional experience should be your guide. In my opinion Valve should be commended for even attempting to accommodate the two disparate environments and I both applaud their excellent efforts and encourage them to continue to improve their offerings as they have consistently done in the past. Thanks for listening... -----Original Message----- From: Dave Williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 6:52 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [hlds] Sdk update Adam it was a point not that it actually happens. But if i used windows on my desktop it would be expected that i bought a virus scanner @ about £50, spyware/malware protection @ about £20 - £30, an office suite (microsoft would prefer it it if was ms office too) @ £500+ depending on the flavour. With linux all i have to do is spend about an hour d/ling a distro off the net. I then spend 45 mins installing it and bob's your uncle fully working os with office suite and more tools that i care to mention (that would cost hundreds of pounds to get a similar amount for windows) that's virtually virus proof and no one bothers writing malware for because they won't be able to get it to run on the remote system. Adam Sando wrote: > Dave, you obviously do not know the first thing about managing servers > running Windows Operating Systems. If your machine is being "trashed" by > spyware/malware/etc-ware, and you need to re-install it every week, > perhaps you need to do two things: > 1. Stop installing un-trusted junk on your server > 2. Learn how to admin a Windows server/desktop, so you can fix your > stupid mistakes made in point #1 above. > > Servers installed by me back when Windows 2000 first came out, are still > running with the same crusty version of Windows 2000 quite happily. This > is primarily because I don't install every piece of junk on them, and > use a UAT-esque system for testing new application deployments. This, I > would have thought, would be considered best practice - and as part of > your UAT phase, you would discover things like "oh wow this cool server > tool installs bonzi buddy as part of its package. I better not put that > on my production system". > > All you have shown Dave, is ignorance. > > Oh, and please do not flame me coz im 12 and uber leet lololol rofl etc > etc. > > Regards, > Adam > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wim Barelds > Sent: Tuesday, 8 August 2006 1:32 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [hlds] Sdk update > > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Dave, shut up. Windows > has been improving siginificantly in terms os stability and security. > The only one being significantly ignorant here is you and your linux > fan-boy-ish ass. > A) Linux distributions also have security issues > B) Linux distributions are also released with major bugs. > C) Microsoft shouldn't have to pay the bill your your lacking abbility > of maintaining a computer. > > Alfred has already said that the supposed "error", was not an error but > was in fact simply a change. > Your "they can't support both" statement clearly is built on pretty much > nothing. On top of that SrcDS.exe and the Source SDK both cost you no > money what-so-ever. Valve owes you nothing. > This includes, but is not limited to; Valve doesn't owe you a bug-free > SDK. > > On 8/8/06, Dave Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> this is a quote from the link bush gave . >> >> At Microsoft's Tech Ed conference in Amsterdam on Wednesday, a session >> > > >> was devoted to how, according to one Microsoft fan at least, the Linux >> > > >> kernel is beginning to resemble, well -- Windows. >> >> that person is a blithering idiot. the 2 os's are aimed at two very >> different markets. the fact that he claims the gap in securtiy in the >> two is closing is laughable. Microsoft couldn't build a secure safe, >> let alone an operating system. >> >> that whole article served only one purpose. to try and rubbish linux >> to the home windows user. tbf until microsoft actually produces a >> product that >> >> A) has a security system that can be trusted >> >> B) isn't released with major bugs in it >> >> C) generally works with out me having to spend hundreds if not >> thousands of pounds a year extra to keep my machine in a state where i >> > > >> don't have to format the hard drive every week just so i know there >> isn't any lingering malware/spyware hiding deep down in the os. i'll >> stick to my linux box. >> >> One of the reasons i switched was because i had had enough of ignorant >> > > >> bastards such as yourself pushing windows even with all its major >> flaws, trying to persuade ppl that even though it [windows] is >> blatantly inadequate, it is a better product that everything else. >> >> Once again MS has succeeded in brain washing another poor innocent. Go >> > > >> back to your beloved pile of shite and keep you opinions to yourself. >> >> Nobody like being attacked for voicing their views and doug didn't >> deserve it, he made a valid point. how did you like being flamed for >> being an incorrect, arrogant knob? not fun was it? >> >> Bush wrote: >> >>> Here you got mr. know-it-all; read this. >>> >>> http://news.zdnet.co.uk/0,39020330,39159290,00.htm >>> >>> Just to give you a little more of an idea why its so difficult to >>> manage >>> >> and >> >>> debug such a huge project as this. >>> >>> Next time do a little more research before you come looking for >>> cattle >>> >> to >> >>> slaughter mr. map maker. >>> >>> BTW.. aren't there enough maps for this game already? >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>> archives, >>> >> please visit: >> >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>> >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> > > >> please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >> > -- > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
