The betas are awesome...nobody is disagreeing with that. The point is
that a fairly major feature has been changed...and it wasnt even in the
changelog. And then when asked about it, it was like an afterthought
"Oh yeah...we removed that". Our players just want to have fun and play
in a place where all things are equal (no rate hacking or regular hacks
etc). They dont care if we have to run commands on them to do that.
However now we have completely lost the ability to do certain things.
All players see is that us server owners are taking away their fun and
complain (and sometimes leave). They dont understand. Valve doesn't
pay for servers, we do. MY money is going into keeping valve alive (my
running servers lets people buy more games and they then have somewhere
to play). Valve needs to realize this. In their "Infinite wisdom" they
forget that without server operators, a mod dies. There have been
plenty of mods that have come and gone, and because they only had
players (not server operators) behind them, they never took off.
We are waiting for valve to reply and tell us WTF is going on...but the
lack of a reply is a pretty good indication that they are giving us
operators a giant middle finger.
HP
Keeper wrote:
I'm not arguing the beta's. They are a godsend.
I too appreciate these. But it's not a single thing that valve has done
that has us jumping "down Valve's throat". They have a consistent history
of fixing things that don't need fixing, while not fixing major bugs.
I was all in favor of the cl_restrict... cvar. It does protect us from the
kiddies. I hope Alfred will respond at some point on what exactly is the
thought on this. Other than "The restrict cvar has been removed, zBlock
needs to be updated."
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of NaughtyGeek
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 11:24 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [hlds] RE: [hlds_linux] Source Engine Dedicated server beta
(cl_restrict_server_commands)
I'm really going to have to disagree with you on this one. We all jumped up
and down and said we needed betas before releases and here we are with a
beta to test. Change is a necessary evil and most of the people here seem to
have made assumptions with the information that was provided. The
cl_restrict.... may have been removed, but Alfred has yet to reply to this
list stating if it's been replaced, revised or otherwise. Everyone seems to
be eager to jump down Valve's throat without acknowledging the fact that
they are making an effort to work with us. Where's the big shout out to
Valve from you guys that were spamming this list after every update you
didn't get a beta for. We all know that updates will likely break things and
it sucks to have to always find a new way to skin the same cat, but that's
the way software works and most of you know that.
Alfred, thanks from those of us who appreciate the steps you're making at
trying to work with the community rather than against it.
-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Keeper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Plugin makers work hard to make plugins that help server operators as well
as bring some new fun into the game for players without having to
redistribute a mod. Valve is falling over itself to keep us from doing
this.
It's the community support and creativity that keep a game alive, and they
have never gotten this.
I'll tell you this, when HL2DM dies for me, steam will disappear from my
computer for good. I will never buy another thing from them again. Unless
they change their outlook towards the existing community and put some
effort
into supporting us.
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