Or that we live in different timezones and aren't at the keyboard 24/7... Ever think of that?
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hell Phoenix Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 9:20 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [hlds] RE: [hlds_linux] Source Engine Dedicated server beta (cl_restrict_server_commands) The betas are awesome...nobody is disagreeing with that. The point is that a fairly major feature has been changed...and it wasnt even in the changelog. And then when asked about it, it was like an afterthought "Oh yeah...we removed that". Our players just want to have fun and play in a place where all things are equal (no rate hacking or regular hacks etc). They dont care if we have to run commands on them to do that. However now we have completely lost the ability to do certain things. All players see is that us server owners are taking away their fun and complain (and sometimes leave). They dont understand. Valve doesn't pay for servers, we do. MY money is going into keeping valve alive (my running servers lets people buy more games and they then have somewhere to play). Valve needs to realize this. In their "Infinite wisdom" they forget that without server operators, a mod dies. There have been plenty of mods that have come and gone, and because they only had players (not server operators) behind them, they never took off. We are waiting for valve to reply and tell us WTF is going on...but the lack of a reply is a pretty good indication that they are giving us operators a giant middle finger. HP Keeper wrote: > I'm not arguing the beta's. They are a godsend. > > I too appreciate these. But it's not a single thing that valve has done > that has us jumping "down Valve's throat". They have a consistent history > of fixing things that don't need fixing, while not fixing major bugs. > > I was all in favor of the cl_restrict... cvar. It does protect us from the > kiddies. I hope Alfred will respond at some point on what exactly is the > thought on this. Other than "The restrict cvar has been removed, zBlock > needs to be updated." > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of NaughtyGeek > Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 11:24 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [hlds] RE: [hlds_linux] Source Engine Dedicated server beta > (cl_restrict_server_commands) > > I'm really going to have to disagree with you on this one. We all jumped up > and down and said we needed betas before releases and here we are with a > beta to test. Change is a necessary evil and most of the people here seem to > have made assumptions with the information that was provided. The > cl_restrict.... may have been removed, but Alfred has yet to reply to this > list stating if it's been replaced, revised or otherwise. Everyone seems to > be eager to jump down Valve's throat without acknowledging the fact that > they are making an effort to work with us. Where's the big shout out to > Valve from you guys that were spamming this list after every update you > didn't get a beta for. We all know that updates will likely break things and > it sucks to have to always find a new way to skin the same cat, but that's > the way software works and most of you know that. > > Alfred, thanks from those of us who appreciate the steps you're making at > trying to work with the community rather than against it. > > > > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: "Keeper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Plugin makers work hard to make plugins that help server operators as well >> as bring some new fun into the game for players without having to >> redistribute a mod. Valve is falling over itself to keep us from doing >> > this. > >> It's the community support and creativity that keep a game alive, and they >> have never gotten this. >> >> I'll tell you this, when HL2DM dies for me, steam will disappear from my >> computer for good. I will never buy another thing from them again. Unless >> they change their outlook towards the existing community and put some >> > effort > >> into supporting us. >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
