Myth : Most server operators want plugins to be able to admin. Fact : Most server ADMINS want plugins to be able to admin Fact : Server operators want 3rd party plugins to offer variation over and above the standard vanilla version of the game AND OR to provide additional content to the classic game - e.g. customised players skins, props etc etc etc.
So please please please with sugar on top, stop presenting a case where we only need certain functions to admin. It's not about what server operators need for their admins to admin the server with. It's about what tricks server operators need to install on their servers, to keep their players happy and that statistically, is most server operators. Manis plugin, isn't just about admin on the server. There are plenty of super-slim plugins out there that take up precious few resources and allow just bare basic admin...yet most server operators are plumping for Mani's plugin, because it's got those lovely bells and whistles that the players love. So please. You can talk all you want about nice little official server plugins from Valve. It won't change anything. Tomorrow, the day after, the month after, the year after, most of us will still be using 3rd party plugins because they offer the kind of functionality that the players want....and if by that time Valve still doesn't do a pre-release beta, nothing would have changed. We'll all still be posting on forums and mailing lists, bitching about Valve updates breaking our plugins. Cheers Chris. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keeper Sent: 24 May 2007 13:47 To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [hlds] Blocking Client Commands Valve has given us the "interface" for plugins. Most plugins, however go beyond this and reach into the memory to do special things like burn, teleport, etc... In fact, an admin plugin doesn't require any special coding that usually breaks with updates. Just giving the server operators the ability to allow clients to control the server without rcon access is easily done, and can be stable. I don't think it's reasonable to expect server operators to pay for admin features. It will either be done by valve, or by 3rd party for free. Somebody just has to come up with one that doesn't include all of the extra stuff. I have one coming out for HL2DM, but it wouldn't be good for CS:S... I sort of agree on the days being numbered, but lately I've actually seen valve responding to concerns. I just don't think they have a good way to address concerns brought to light by both players and server operators. I recently had a conversation with valve and let them know that "playgamesound" didn't work with the client restriction, but "play" did. They responded that it should work and could I verify it for them. Once I did they responded: "That certainly sounds like a bug then, I will get the team to check this out." This has been an issue since the release of the cl_restrict_server_commands CVAR. If they had a system of good communication with bug tracking, then I think most of the problems we see as players/operators would be taken care of. Keeper -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Munky Judder Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 4:40 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [hlds] Blocking Client Commands I dont think its realistic for Valve to try and support every type of script or plugin...I meant just concentrate on the admin side of things. Kick and Ban are far too excessive for the majority of servers and rcon is very user unfriendly. It quite reasonable to suggest a Valve Admin plugin as this is a commercially viable idea if its payed for by server operators. You also wouldnt have 3000 PO'ed admins everytime there was a patch, spamming up their emails or bitching on their forums Valve just broke something if its official. TBH though I think the days of CS:S are numbered if players opinions are being ignored.....but what do I know :) _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
