I disagree that it's hurting "everyone" some of us don't really have a problem running a 24 slot or less server. I think valve has compromised quite a bit to allow something that their servers were never designed to do. and in creating the custom tab they have decided to offer some support for this functionality.
I think this is more about meeting the requirements that are printed on the box than trying to purposefully deny 32 slot ops a server listing. > I agree, but what we basically have here is game theory: Sure it would > help everyone if we *all* stopped, but that's highly unlikely. In the > mean time, delisting my server has little effect other than making it > perma-empty (i've tried). > > I hate to lay all the blame on Valve, but honestly, what did they > expect? I'd love to be part of the solution, but emptying out my server > right now isn't really going to help that. > > If someone (or Valve) can come up with a better plan in the short term, > however, I'm more than willing to help. The current situation is bad for > everyone. > > - Neph > > Timothy L Havener wrote: >> btw, even though I support you guys in spirit who are using workarounds >> to >> bypass the custom tab you are really hurting those of us who decided to >> not >> run the plugin any longer and are on the custom tab. Because there are >> still servers with 32 slots on the internet tab its confusing people >> even >> more. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Munra"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To:<[email protected]> >> Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 4:24 PM >> Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve,thank you for virtually destroying my TF2 >> community. >> >> >> >>> Valve always here "your going kill the game Community" >>> >>> They heard it when css came out >>> They heard it when steam came out >>> They heard it when they shut down the won servers. >>> >>> I am more worried about my servers havin ips in the 205 ranges rather >>> then >>> the custom tab killing 32 player servers >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To:<[email protected]> >>> Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 4:23 PM >>> Subject: RE: [hlds] Valve, thank you for virtually destroying my TF2 >>> community. >>> >>> >>> >>>> You pulled the words right out of my mouth. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Timothy L >>>> Havener >>>> Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 4:06 PM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve, thank you for virtually destroying my TF2 >>>> community. >>>> >>>> Paaahleeeease....I have plenty of regulars. You don't get two servers >>>> into >>>> the top 10 rankings without a lot of regulars. Two of my servers still >>>> get >>>> populated during peak gaming hours, but they empty out around 1-3 am >>>> and >>>> fill back up around lunchtime whereas they used to stay full 24/7. >>>> Not >>>> being listed on the internet tab really hurts in the morning hours >>>> when >>>> most >>>> of my regulars aren't on. And I posted to all my members about the >>>> customs >>>> tab and most didnt know what it was. I got a crap load of pm's on >>>> steam >>>> asking me why I took my servers down after the update. This stinks >>>> and I >>>> don't like it. >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Cc2iscooL"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> To:<[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 2:35 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve, thank you for virtually destroying my TF2 >>>> community. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] >>>>> If you had enough regulars, your servers would stay full. >>>>> >>>>> For instance, on Friday Night, I like to run party mode on my >>>>> servers, >>>>> which >>>>> places them on the custom tab. I can still keep them full from the >>>>> time >>>>> it >>>>> starts up until about dying gaming hours (around 4-5 AM CST) >>>>> >>>>> The custom tab is a deterrent to generic pubbers, but your regulars >>>>> will >>>>> still see you on their favorites tab. >>>>> >>>>> I will agree though, pubbers generally won't even touch the custom >>>>> tab. >>>>> Maybe if people started actually using the custom tab, though, people >>>>> would >>>>> generally shift over to it based on their desire for gameplay. With >>>>> all >>>>> the >>>>> server operators exploiting the internet listing as it is right now, >>>>> no >>>>> one >>>>> will ever use the custom listing because the servers like that are >>>>> still >>>>> in >>>>> the internet list. >>>>> >>>>> If no server operators use the custom list, then neither will the >>>>> players, >>>>> thus why you see such a lack of use on it. >>>>> >>>>> To be honest, I think if more server operators used it and educated >>>>> the >>>>> players they play with on the use of it, I think there would be a lot >>>>> more >>>>> people using the custom tab. >>>>> >>>>> Now, granted, it will never compare to the usage of the internet tab, >>>>> but >>>>> all this "cheating" to get on the internet list isn't going to help >>>>> the >>>>> custom list at all. No one is going to use it if there aren't any >>>>> good >>>>> servers there. >>>>> >>>>> Just a thought. >>>>> >>>>> -Cc2iscooL >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 12:41 PM, Timothy L Havener< >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. >>>>>> -- >>>>>> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] >>>>>> I had 3 servers full pretty much 24/7 and since the implementation >>>>>> of >>>>>> the >>>>>> customs tab I have had trouble even getting them populated during >>>>>> peak >>>>>> gaming hours. I have received complaint after complaint from >>>>>> members >>>>>> about >>>>>> the new system. The majority of players did not even know there was >>>>>> a >>>>>> customs tab to find our servers. My Dustbowl server was ranked in >>>>>> the >>>>>> top 3 >>>>>> on game-monitor and has been dropping consistently since the last >>>>>> update. >>>>>> Just wanted to say thanks. 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