Yeah, when valve said they wanted admins to work within the bounds of the tags and they were going to be doing some PR and user education about the tabs issue, I decided to respect their wishes and let my server slide over to the custom tab.
As a result, it was empty for the longest time since I launched it. I just recently upgraded my TF2 servers so I could host more servers, I just set up my box and 20 minutes after the server was started it was full and remained full most of the time until I let it slide to the custom tab. The server was empty for 11 hours, rather than forcing my server to the internet list, I simply lowered the player count from 30 to 24, this had mixed results, my community did not like it and they were playing on other servers. On top of valve not doing any PR or education about the custom tab like they said they would. So, the options for me are: 1. Run a 24 and lose my community because a majority of my community prefers 30 players 2. Let my server go to the custom list and then die a horrible death. 3. Keep my community active by working around poorly thought out changes. I don't like doing it, but the alternatives are much worse. Sorry valve, perhaps it would have been best to beta test this feature before forcing it upon everyone. Because if anything needed a beta test, this would have been it. - voogru. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nephyrin Zey Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 11:27 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve, thank you for virtually destroying my TF2 community. I agree, but what we basically have here is game theory: Sure it would help everyone if we *all* stopped, but that's highly unlikely. In the mean time, delisting my server has little effect other than making it perma-empty (i've tried). I hate to lay all the blame on Valve, but honestly, what did they expect? I'd love to be part of the solution, but emptying out my server right now isn't really going to help that. If someone (or Valve) can come up with a better plan in the short term, however, I'm more than willing to help. The current situation is bad for everyone. - Neph Timothy L Havener wrote: > btw, even though I support you guys in spirit who are using workarounds to > bypass the custom tab you are really hurting those of us who decided to not > run the plugin any longer and are on the custom tab. Because there are > still servers with 32 slots on the internet tab its confusing people even > more. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Munra"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To:<[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 4:24 PM > Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve,thank you for virtually destroying my TF2 > community. > > > >> Valve always here "your going kill the game Community" >> >> They heard it when css came out >> They heard it when steam came out >> They heard it when they shut down the won servers. >> >> I am more worried about my servers havin ips in the 205 ranges rather then >> the custom tab killing 32 player servers >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To:<[email protected]> >> Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 4:23 PM >> Subject: RE: [hlds] Valve, thank you for virtually destroying my TF2 >> community. >> >> >> >>> You pulled the words right out of my mouth. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Timothy L Havener >>> Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 4:06 PM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve, thank you for virtually destroying my TF2 >>> community. >>> >>> Paaahleeeease....I have plenty of regulars. You don't get two servers >>> into >>> the top 10 rankings without a lot of regulars. Two of my servers still >>> get >>> populated during peak gaming hours, but they empty out around 1-3 am and >>> fill back up around lunchtime whereas they used to stay full 24/7. Not >>> being listed on the internet tab really hurts in the morning hours when >>> most >>> of my regulars aren't on. And I posted to all my members about the >>> customs >>> tab and most didnt know what it was. I got a crap load of pm's on steam >>> asking me why I took my servers down after the update. This stinks and I >>> don't like it. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Cc2iscooL"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To:<[email protected]> >>> Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 2:35 PM >>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve, thank you for virtually destroying my TF2 >>> community. >>> >>> >>> >>>> -- >>>> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] >>>> If you had enough regulars, your servers would stay full. >>>> >>>> For instance, on Friday Night, I like to run party mode on my servers, >>>> which >>>> places them on the custom tab. I can still keep them full from the time >>>> it >>>> starts up until about dying gaming hours (around 4-5 AM CST) >>>> >>>> The custom tab is a deterrent to generic pubbers, but your regulars will >>>> still see you on their favorites tab. >>>> >>>> I will agree though, pubbers generally won't even touch the custom tab. >>>> Maybe if people started actually using the custom tab, though, people >>>> would >>>> generally shift over to it based on their desire for gameplay. With all >>>> the >>>> server operators exploiting the internet listing as it is right now, no >>>> one >>>> will ever use the custom listing because the servers like that are still >>>> in >>>> the internet list. >>>> >>>> If no server operators use the custom list, then neither will the >>>> players, >>>> thus why you see such a lack of use on it. >>>> >>>> To be honest, I think if more server operators used it and educated the >>>> players they play with on the use of it, I think there would be a lot >>>> more >>>> people using the custom tab. >>>> >>>> Now, granted, it will never compare to the usage of the internet tab, >>>> but >>>> all this "cheating" to get on the internet list isn't going to help the >>>> custom list at all. No one is going to use it if there aren't any good >>>> servers there. >>>> >>>> Just a thought. >>>> >>>> -Cc2iscooL >>>> >>>> On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 12:41 PM, Timothy L Havener< >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. >>>>> -- >>>>> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] >>>>> I had 3 servers full pretty much 24/7 and since the implementation of >>>>> the >>>>> customs tab I have had trouble even getting them populated during peak >>>>> gaming hours. I have received complaint after complaint from members >>>>> about >>>>> the new system. The majority of players did not even know there was a >>>>> customs tab to find our servers. My Dustbowl server was ranked in the >>>>> top 3 >>>>> on game-monitor and has been dropping consistently since the last >>>>> update. >>>>> Just wanted to say thanks. 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