I vote for a tab for every server setting! :D On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 1:23 PM, Saint K. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What VALVe needs to do, is simply implement another tab. > > One tab 'Internet' with all servers, one tab 'Normal' and one tab 'Custom'. > > I think this will more or less solve our issues. > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Namens Spencer 'voogru' > MacDonald > Verzonden: Friday, March 14, 2008 10:21 AM > Aan: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list' > Onderwerp: Re: [hlds] Valve,thank you for virtually destroying my TF2 > > community. > > Actually it could have been done totally on the clients during a beta test > and players could have opt in. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Morton > Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 4:35 AM > To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list > Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve, thank you for virtually destroying my TF2 > community. > > how would that have worked?? ;) > > Some server admins volunteer to run the beta to "upgrade" their servers to > the custom tab??? :D > > ~ Errant > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 8:11 AM > To: "'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list'" > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve,thank you for virtually destroying my TF2 > community. > > > Yeah, when valve said they wanted admins to work within the bounds of the > > tags and they were going to be doing some PR and user education about the > > tabs issue, I decided to respect their wishes and let my server slide over > > to the custom tab. > > > > As a result, it was empty for the longest time since I launched it. I just > > recently upgraded my TF2 servers so I could host more servers, I just set > > up > > my box and 20 minutes after the server was started it was full and > > remained > > full most of the time until I let it slide to the custom tab. > > > > The server was empty for 11 hours, rather than forcing my server to the > > internet list, I simply lowered the player count from 30 to 24, this had > > mixed results, my community did not like it and they were playing on other > > servers. > > > > On top of valve not doing any PR or education about the custom tab like > > they > > said they would. > > > > So, the options for me are: > > > > 1. Run a 24 and lose my community because a majority of my community > > prefers > > 30 players > > 2. Let my server go to the custom list and then die a horrible death. > > 3. Keep my community active by working around poorly thought out changes. > > > > I don't like doing it, but the alternatives are much worse. > > > > Sorry valve, perhaps it would have been best to beta test this feature > > before forcing it upon everyone. > > > > Because if anything needed a beta test, this would have been it. > > > > - voogru. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nephyrin Zey > > Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 11:27 PM > > To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list > > Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve, thank you for virtually destroying my TF2 > > community. > > > > I agree, but what we basically have here is game theory: Sure it would > > help everyone if we *all* stopped, but that's highly unlikely. In the > > mean time, delisting my server has little effect other than making it > > perma-empty (i've tried). > > > > I hate to lay all the blame on Valve, but honestly, what did they > > expect? I'd love to be part of the solution, but emptying out my server > > right now isn't really going to help that. > > > > If someone (or Valve) can come up with a better plan in the short term, > > however, I'm more than willing to help. The current situation is bad for > > everyone. > > > > - Neph > > > > Timothy L Havener wrote: > >> btw, even though I support you guys in spirit who are using workarounds > >> to > >> bypass the custom tab you are really hurting those of us who decided to > > not > >> run the plugin any longer and are on the custom tab. Because there are > >> still servers with 32 slots on the internet tab its confusing people even > >> more. > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Munra"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To:<[email protected]> > >> Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 4:24 PM > >> Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve,thank you for virtually destroying my TF2 > >> community. > >> > >> > >> > >>> Valve always here "your going kill the game Community" > >>> > >>> They heard it when css came out > >>> They heard it when steam came out > >>> They heard it when they shut down the won servers. > >>> > >>> I am more worried about my servers havin ips in the 205 ranges rather > > then > >>> the custom tab killing 32 player servers > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>> To:<[email protected]> > >>> Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 4:23 PM > >>> Subject: RE: [hlds] Valve, thank you for virtually destroying my TF2 > >>> community. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> You pulled the words right out of my mouth. > >>>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Timothy L > > Havener > >>>> Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 4:06 PM > >>>> To: [email protected] > >>>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve, thank you for virtually destroying my TF2 > >>>> community. > >>>> > >>>> Paaahleeeease....I have plenty of regulars. You don't get two servers > >>>> into > >>>> the top 10 rankings without a lot of regulars. Two of my servers still > >>>> get > >>>> populated during peak gaming hours, but they empty out around 1-3 am > >>>> and > >>>> fill back up around lunchtime whereas they used to stay full 24/7. Not > >>>> being listed on the internet tab really hurts in the morning hours when > >>>> most > >>>> of my regulars aren't on. And I posted to all my members about the > >>>> customs > >>>> tab and most didnt know what it was. I got a crap load of pm's on > >>>> steam > >>>> asking me why I took my servers down after the update. This stinks and > > I > >>>> don't like it. > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>> From: "Cc2iscooL"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>> To:<[email protected]> > >>>> Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 2:35 PM > >>>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve, thank you for virtually destroying my TF2 > >>>> community. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > >>>>> If you had enough regulars, your servers would stay full. > >>>>> > >>>>> For instance, on Friday Night, I like to run party mode on my servers, > >>>>> which > >>>>> places them on the custom tab. I can still keep them full from the > >>>>> time > >>>>> it > >>>>> starts up until about dying gaming hours (around 4-5 AM CST) > >>>>> > >>>>> The custom tab is a deterrent to generic pubbers, but your regulars > > will > >>>>> still see you on their favorites tab. > >>>>> > >>>>> I will agree though, pubbers generally won't even touch the custom > >>>>> tab. > >>>>> Maybe if people started actually using the custom tab, though, people > >>>>> would > >>>>> generally shift over to it based on their desire for gameplay. With > >>>>> all > >>>>> the > >>>>> server operators exploiting the internet listing as it is right now, > >>>>> no > >>>>> one > >>>>> will ever use the custom listing because the servers like that are > > still > >>>>> in > >>>>> the internet list. > >>>>> > >>>>> If no server operators use the custom list, then neither will the > >>>>> players, > >>>>> thus why you see such a lack of use on it. > >>>>> > >>>>> To be honest, I think if more server operators used it and educated > >>>>> the > >>>>> players they play with on the use of it, I think there would be a lot > >>>>> more > >>>>> people using the custom tab. > >>>>> > >>>>> Now, granted, it will never compare to the usage of the internet tab, > >>>>> but > >>>>> all this "cheating" to get on the internet list isn't going to help > >>>>> the > >>>>> custom list at all. No one is going to use it if there aren't any good > >>>>> servers there. > >>>>> > >>>>> Just a thought. > >>>>> > >>>>> -Cc2iscooL > >>>>> > >>>>> On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 12:41 PM, Timothy L Havener< > >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > >>>>>> I had 3 servers full pretty much 24/7 and since the implementation of > >>>>>> the > >>>>>> customs tab I have had trouble even getting them populated during > >>>>>> peak > >>>>>> gaming hours. I have received complaint after complaint from members > >>>>>> about > >>>>>> the new system. The majority of players did not even know there was > >>>>>> a > >>>>>> customs tab to find our servers. My Dustbowl server was ranked in > >>>>>> the > >>>>>> top 3 > >>>>>> on game-monitor and has been dropping consistently since the last > >>>>>> update. > >>>>>> Just wanted to say thanks. 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