Actually it could have been done totally on the clients during a beta test and players could have opt in.
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Morton Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 4:35 AM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve, thank you for virtually destroying my TF2 community. how would that have worked?? ;) Some server admins volunteer to run the beta to "upgrade" their servers to the custom tab??? :D ~ Errant -------------------------------------------------- From: "Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 8:11 AM To: "'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list'" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve,thank you for virtually destroying my TF2 community. > Yeah, when valve said they wanted admins to work within the bounds of the > tags and they were going to be doing some PR and user education about the > tabs issue, I decided to respect their wishes and let my server slide over > to the custom tab. > > As a result, it was empty for the longest time since I launched it. I just > recently upgraded my TF2 servers so I could host more servers, I just set > up > my box and 20 minutes after the server was started it was full and > remained > full most of the time until I let it slide to the custom tab. > > The server was empty for 11 hours, rather than forcing my server to the > internet list, I simply lowered the player count from 30 to 24, this had > mixed results, my community did not like it and they were playing on other > servers. > > On top of valve not doing any PR or education about the custom tab like > they > said they would. > > So, the options for me are: > > 1. Run a 24 and lose my community because a majority of my community > prefers > 30 players > 2. Let my server go to the custom list and then die a horrible death. > 3. Keep my community active by working around poorly thought out changes. > > I don't like doing it, but the alternatives are much worse. > > Sorry valve, perhaps it would have been best to beta test this feature > before forcing it upon everyone. > > Because if anything needed a beta test, this would have been it. > > - voogru. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nephyrin Zey > Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 11:27 PM > To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list > Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve, thank you for virtually destroying my TF2 > community. > > I agree, but what we basically have here is game theory: Sure it would > help everyone if we *all* stopped, but that's highly unlikely. In the > mean time, delisting my server has little effect other than making it > perma-empty (i've tried). > > I hate to lay all the blame on Valve, but honestly, what did they > expect? I'd love to be part of the solution, but emptying out my server > right now isn't really going to help that. > > If someone (or Valve) can come up with a better plan in the short term, > however, I'm more than willing to help. The current situation is bad for > everyone. > > - Neph > > Timothy L Havener wrote: >> btw, even though I support you guys in spirit who are using workarounds >> to >> bypass the custom tab you are really hurting those of us who decided to > not >> run the plugin any longer and are on the custom tab. Because there are >> still servers with 32 slots on the internet tab its confusing people even >> more. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Munra"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To:<[email protected]> >> Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 4:24 PM >> Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve,thank you for virtually destroying my TF2 >> community. >> >> >> >>> Valve always here "your going kill the game Community" >>> >>> They heard it when css came out >>> They heard it when steam came out >>> They heard it when they shut down the won servers. >>> >>> I am more worried about my servers havin ips in the 205 ranges rather > then >>> the custom tab killing 32 player servers >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To:<[email protected]> >>> Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 4:23 PM >>> Subject: RE: [hlds] Valve, thank you for virtually destroying my TF2 >>> community. >>> >>> >>> >>>> You pulled the words right out of my mouth. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Timothy L > Havener >>>> Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 4:06 PM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve, thank you for virtually destroying my TF2 >>>> community. >>>> >>>> Paaahleeeease....I have plenty of regulars. You don't get two servers >>>> into >>>> the top 10 rankings without a lot of regulars. Two of my servers still >>>> get >>>> populated during peak gaming hours, but they empty out around 1-3 am >>>> and >>>> fill back up around lunchtime whereas they used to stay full 24/7. Not >>>> being listed on the internet tab really hurts in the morning hours when >>>> most >>>> of my regulars aren't on. And I posted to all my members about the >>>> customs >>>> tab and most didnt know what it was. I got a crap load of pm's on >>>> steam >>>> asking me why I took my servers down after the update. This stinks and > I >>>> don't like it. >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Cc2iscooL"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> To:<[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 2:35 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve, thank you for virtually destroying my TF2 >>>> community. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] >>>>> If you had enough regulars, your servers would stay full. >>>>> >>>>> For instance, on Friday Night, I like to run party mode on my servers, >>>>> which >>>>> places them on the custom tab. I can still keep them full from the >>>>> time >>>>> it >>>>> starts up until about dying gaming hours (around 4-5 AM CST) >>>>> >>>>> The custom tab is a deterrent to generic pubbers, but your regulars > will >>>>> still see you on their favorites tab. >>>>> >>>>> I will agree though, pubbers generally won't even touch the custom >>>>> tab. >>>>> Maybe if people started actually using the custom tab, though, people >>>>> would >>>>> generally shift over to it based on their desire for gameplay. With >>>>> all >>>>> the >>>>> server operators exploiting the internet listing as it is right now, >>>>> no >>>>> one >>>>> will ever use the custom listing because the servers like that are > still >>>>> in >>>>> the internet list. >>>>> >>>>> If no server operators use the custom list, then neither will the >>>>> players, >>>>> thus why you see such a lack of use on it. >>>>> >>>>> To be honest, I think if more server operators used it and educated >>>>> the >>>>> players they play with on the use of it, I think there would be a lot >>>>> more >>>>> people using the custom tab. >>>>> >>>>> Now, granted, it will never compare to the usage of the internet tab, >>>>> but >>>>> all this "cheating" to get on the internet list isn't going to help >>>>> the >>>>> custom list at all. No one is going to use it if there aren't any good >>>>> servers there. >>>>> >>>>> Just a thought. >>>>> >>>>> -Cc2iscooL >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 12:41 PM, Timothy L Havener< >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. >>>>>> -- >>>>>> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] >>>>>> I had 3 servers full pretty much 24/7 and since the implementation of >>>>>> the >>>>>> customs tab I have had trouble even getting them populated during >>>>>> peak >>>>>> gaming hours. I have received complaint after complaint from members >>>>>> about >>>>>> the new system. The majority of players did not even know there was >>>>>> a >>>>>> customs tab to find our servers. My Dustbowl server was ranked in >>>>>> the >>>>>> top 3 >>>>>> on game-monitor and has been dropping consistently since the last >>>>>> update. >>>>>> Just wanted to say thanks. 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