Very well said Voogru, especially like the menu analogy.
I also hope Valve does fix this, ditches the Custom Tab and adds tag searching
to the out of game server list, otherwise as you said its pointless no one
will use it and all that dev time will have gone to waste.
Regard
Steve
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From: "Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> The custom tab has to be scratched, all servers should be displayed by
> default. Players should then be allowed to filter tags they like or do not
> like.
>
> If a player learns to use tags, great. If they don't, they see all options.
> This is what's important, if you by default HIDE 'custom' servers, the
> majority of the players who don't care will never see the so called custom
> servers.
>
> The whole tag system is flawed, let's say I run a 24 server without fast
> respawn. No tags are added by valve without any kind of mods manipulating
> the tags.
>
> But I add a grapple hook for all players.
>
> What server operator in their right mind would voluntarily add a tag that
> results in their server effectively being delisted?
>
> NOBODY.
>
> And then what is valve going to do about that? Are they going to come tell
> server ops "hey you HAVE to list tags".
>
> Is valve going to hire a bunch of people to look for servers to make sure
> they aren't modded? Doubtful.
>
> In its current implementation server operators have an incentive to avoid
> tags, if all servers are shown by default with their respective tags, server
> operators would have an incentive to SHOW their tags. It's basically saying
> "hey! Look what we got!", but if players don't see this by default, it will
> be worthless.
>
> How hard is it to understand this?
>
> Valve probably realized their mistake and might be correcting it. At least I
> hope so. The custom tab will be an eternal cat and mouse game between server
> operators and valve. Valve can very easily solve the problem and make
> everyone happy just by having the servers all visible by default.
>
> Players who want custom, can find it.
> Players who want vanilla, can find it.
> Players who don't care or don't know what they want, or don't know how to
> use the filters, have all options shown to them so they can make their mind
> on the fly.
>
> If you go to a restaurant and the waiter gives you a menu, and without you
> knowing, there is "two" different menus, but they give you the "standard"
> menu, chances are, very few people will ever ask "hey what's on the other
> menu"
>
> Also, increased_maxplayers is probably one of the stupidest tags ever. It's
> like a bag of peanuts with the warning: "Warning: contains peanuts". Like
> players can't tell it's a 32 player server without reading the tags.
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