Is that open to the public yet? Your plugin.. -------------------------------------------------- From: "LDuke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 1:18 PM To: "Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [hlds] The new tagging system
> Valve turned a broken system into a usable system. As a plugin developer > I'm very glad to see the changes. My TF2NADES plugin will definitely be > adding a tag now that the server admins won't be upset by it. > > > > On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 8:27 PM, 1nsane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> The tag system is awesome. All the servers that I manage use it. People >> can >> now actually search for my servers. >> >> You are broken. >> >> On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 10:01 PM, Leonard L. Church >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: >> >> > LOL >> > >> > Log in man. I was playing Steel when that happened. Look at your player >> > log and you will see that I was on. >> > >> > You have instant respawn on. I'm not making crap up. Tell me, what tags >> > do you have on? >> > >> > Either case, you are still advertising your server as vanilla with >> > instant respawn on. Anyone can check (unless you reset it and removed >> > that setting). >> > >> > I simply don't care anymore. Valve, the tag system as it is now is >> > still >> > broke. The only way it's going to work is to take the tags out of the >> > hands of the server admins and make it automated. >> > >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> > > we've never had instant respawn or no-crits enabled, we've run >> > > default >> > > servers since the beginning. you can check hlsw and see what plugins >> we >> > > are running and what respawn and crit settings we have. you just >> choose >> > > to make up a story about my server and didn't realize I belonged to >> this >> > > list. we also don't play custom maps either which I would take as >> being >> > > vanilla. so stop making crap up so you have something to cry about >> > > and >> > > protest. >> > > >> > > Leonard L. Church wrote: >> > >> Vanilla to me is standard rules of play. Maps don't matter IMHO. >> > >> >> > >> Instant respawn is NOT part of the rules of play IMHO as well. >> > >> >> > >> That's the issue. Perhaps I'm coming down to hard on a server owner >> who >> > >> advertises Vanilla with Instant Respawn on by calling him an ass, >> > >> but >> I >> > >> can also see several owners complaining about traffic and doing the >> > >> exact same thing screaming about how those servers without vanilla >> tags >> > >> are "Doomed to fail". >> > >> >> > >> *sighs* I am sorry I called Dan an ass. Perhaps though you can >> > >> remove >> > >> the tags you don't actually use from the server? >> > >> >> > >> Dustin Wyatt wrote: >> > >> >> > >>> That's the problem with "vanilla". I'd call my server vanilla, but >> we >> > >>> do run custom maps, so others wouldn't. >> > >>> >> > >>> On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 8:28 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > >>> >> > >>>> and why isnt it vanilla? because it goes to 25/24 when someone >> > >>>> with >> a >> > >>>> reserved slot joins? or that it has hlstatsx? vanilla to me means >> > that >> > >>>> the gameplay is the same as valve intended with respawn times, >> > >>>> team >> > size >> > >>>> etc. so why are you calling me an ass? >> > >>>> >> > >>>> Leonard L. Church wrote: >> > >>>> >> > >>>>> I just got off a server (CircleX-Gaming #2 - >> > >>>>> 209.160.43.166:27015) >> > and >> > >>>>> they are listing all the tags including vanilla, but it truly is >> not. >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> Gheez... What asses. >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> Arg! wrote: >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>>> but this is going to be the same problem we have before, if the >> > telcos dont >> > >>>>>> put the vanilla tags in for their servers, then the list will be >> > corrupted >> > >>>>>> and useless for searching. >> > >>>>>> >> > >>>>>> On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 9:49 AM, Leonard L. Church >> > >>>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: >> > >>>>>> >> > >>>>>> >> > >>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> Really? Are the custom server admins going to argue this >> > >>>>>>> point?? >> > Seriously? >> > >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> Put the Vanilla tag on please. Thank you. >> > >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> Arg! wrote: >> > >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>> you can have no filters and sort by tags! >> > >>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 9:34 AM, Richard Eid < >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > >>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> wrote: >> > >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>> The problem with using no tags is there isn't a way (that >> > >>>>>>>>> I've >> > found so >> > >>>>>>>>> far) >> > >>>>>>>>> to have it only display servers with no tags. You either get >> all >> > the >> > >>>>>>>>> servers listed or servers with tags you've added to your >> filter. >> > >>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>> -Richard Eid >> > >>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 7:26 PM, Arg! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > wrote: >> > >>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>> vanilla == no tags, surely. >> > >>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>> or only the gamemode tags. >> > >>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>> Now, what we need next is to get this in the Steam server >> > browser, not >> > >>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>> just >> > >>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>> the in game one. >> > >>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 7:55 AM, Richard Eid < >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> > >>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> I wouldn't be against the idea of servers coming pre-set >> > >>>>>>>>>>> with >> a >> > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>> 'Vanilla' >> > >>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> tag by default, but only if there aren't any more >> > >>>>>>>>>>> shenanigans >> > with >> > >>>>>>>>>>> falsifying the tag info. For example, John Doe decides to >> get >> > a >> > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> server >> > >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> going, so he downloads it, adds some custom gameplay >> elements, >> > then >> > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>> uses >> > >>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>> a >> > >>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> plug-in to keep the server with the only tag of 'Vanilla', >> > while >> > >>>>>>>>>>> short/insta-spawn and low gravity, among other things, >> > >>>>>>>>>>> remain >> > in play >> > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>> on >> > >>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> his >> > >>>>>>>>>>> server. >> > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> For everyone who is going to play by the rules, what do you >> > feel >> > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> should >> > >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> become of those that skirt the system now? Would delisting >> be >> > a fair >> > >>>>>>>>>>> solution? >> > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> For those that will NOT be properly using tags as intended, >> why >> > not? >> > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>> In >> > >>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>> my >> > >>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> first e-mail in this thread, I posted a link to a thread in >> the >> > Steam >> > >>>>>>>>>>> forums >> > >>>>>>>>>>> in which a server op said that he's not going to use tags >> > purely to >> > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>> bring >> > >>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> more traffic to his server. How do you all feel about this >> > now? As a >> > >>>>>>>>>>> player, it's frustrating because it's basically a glimpse >> into >> > the >> > >>>>>>>>>>> near-future and that glimpse tells me it's not going to get >> any >> > better >> > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>> as >> > >>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> I'm sure he won't be the only one who will do it. >> > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> I guess there's going to be some falsifying of the tag info >> no >> > matter >> > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>> what >> > >>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> happens, but it'd be nice to keep it to a minimum. >> > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> Also, for everyone that's responded here, thanks for making >> me >> > feel >> > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>> better >> > >>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> about going into the server browser now. It looks like >> > >>>>>>>>>>> it's >> > not going >> > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>> to >> > >>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> be >> > >>>>>>>>>>> that difficult to find the games I am looking for, save for >> the >> > few >> > >>>>>>>>>>> holdouts >> > >>>>>>>>>>> who don't care about tricking people into connecting to >> > >>>>>>>>>>> their >> > servers. >> > >>>>>>>>>>> Thank you all again for your time. >> > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> -Richard Eid >> > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 3:48 PM, SakeFox < >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> > >>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> i was kinda surprised that when you turn cheats on it >> doesn't >> > auto >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>> tag >> > >>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Ronny Schedel wrote: >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> IMO Valve should quickly add a "auto-tagging" feature >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> like >> > that. >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> There is already an auto tagging system. It's working >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> like >> > before. >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>> If >> > >>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> you >> > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> change some parameters, like maxplayers, crits, respawn >> > times, it >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>> will >> > >>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> autmatically added to sv_tags. >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the >> list >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>> archives, >> > >>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> please visit: >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> list >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>> archives, >> > >>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> please visit: >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> > >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the >> > >>>>>>>>>>> list >> > archives, >> > >>>>>>>>>>> please visit: >> > >>>>>>>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>> -- >> > >>>>>>>>>> -------- >> > >>>>>>>>>> Chillidog Systems - Re-inventing the wheel for the sake of >> > >>>>>>>>>> all >> > >>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> humanity! >> > >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>> -------- >> > >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> > >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >> > archives, >> > >>>>>>>>>> please visit: >> > >>>>>>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> > >>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> > >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >> > archives, >> > >>>>>>>>> please visit: >> > >>>>>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> > >>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> > >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >> > archives, >> > >>>>>>> please visit: >> > >>>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> > >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> >> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ >> > >>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >> > archives, please visit: >> > >>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>> _______________________________________________ >> > >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >> archives, >> > please visit: >> > >>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>> _______________________________________________ >> > >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >> archives, >> > please visit: >> > >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >> > >> archives, >> > please visit: >> > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> > >> >> > >> >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >> > > archives, >> > please visit: >> > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> > > >> > > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> > please visit: >> > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
