Erik has already explained what valve is doing and why they are doing it. They are not changing it because you don't like matchmaking. This is not a list to whine about you losing faith in a company. Feel free to make a comment on what they are trying to do at the moment, but people are not here to listen to whining.
On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 3:43 PM, Timothy L Havener < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Fine. You want constructive criticism? Here it is. Keep it simple. > Stop trying to reinvent the wheel. Give us a simple single tabbed > server browser with a filter system and stop with this console copycat > garbage. I am a PC gamer for a reason. If I wanted an xbox I would go > out out and buy one. > > > Erik Johnson wrote: > > For these lists to be useful, both to admins and us, these kinds of > threads need to stop. If you want to get super angry in e-mail, people > should send it directly to me and not to a list with over a thousand e-mail > addresses on it. > > > > Criticism is completely OK on this list as long as it is constructive, > which 90% of it has been. Grandstanding and talking about how much you hate > Valve is not really useful to anyone. > > > > I'm going to try the 1 strike and you're out policy for a while on the > list and see how that goes. If people are really upset about something and > want to shoot me an e-mail, that is OK and won't get you banned. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Timothy L Havener > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 11:04 AM > > To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list > > Subject: Re: [hlds] Status > > > > I overreact when I'm frustrated...as I am with Valve. I love their > > games but I am getting really tired of hosting servers for their games > > when they are continually twisting my arm as an admin to accept things > > which make it harder to build a community around those same games. It > > just feels like they have forgotten what got them where they are. > > > > Leonard L. Church wrote: > > > >> So why are you still on this list? Give up already. > >> > >> Timothy L Havener wrote: > >> > >> > >>> I had that hope after the custom tab debacle. I now no longer hold onto > >>> it. I give up on Valve. > >>> > >>> [ЯтR] The-/<iller wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>> Hopefully its only nibbling in ignorance, as we are they're bread and > >>>> butter, and hopefully it will be balanced in the end, keep console as > >>>> console and PC above it all. > >>>> > >>>> Timothy L Havener wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> Where once Valve was an innovator in the way we play online games > they > >>>>> have no become a force of complete destruction to the way we play PC > >>>>> games. By reverting to a console style server browser they have > >>>>> devolved their game into an Idoit's Guide to Online Gaming. This is > >>>>> just another move on the chess board to marginalize server admins and > >>>>> take complete control of the gaming experience. Anyone who doesn't > see > >>>>> that is blind. I had a little respect for them left after TF2 and it > is > >>>>> now gone. Keep pissing off admins, Valve, its always good to bite the > >>>>> hand that feeds you. I'm sure those uneducated gamers out there that > >>>>> you are catering to will step up to the plate when all of us are > gone. > >>>>> Good luck with that. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Dj Satane wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> Let me get something straight, Erik wrote: " When a player or two > leaves > >>>>>> Left 4 Dead the game suffers quite a bit, and we were worried that > the > >>>>>> server browser model wasn't the right one for this game." > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Erik, you don't explain the matchmaking how it solves the problem > you > >>>>>> are talking about. How does "console style" matchmaking solves the > problem > >>>>>> of people leaving a left 4 dead game? How does server browser > supposedly > >>>>>> does not solve this problem? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 2:08 PM, Erik Johnson < > [EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> First off, thanks to everyone for running servers for the demo. We > knew > >>>>>>> going into the release that we were going to need to figure out > some ways to > >>>>>>> make it worth it for server administrators, and now we have a ton > of > >>>>>>> feedback to work with. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Right now we're looking at ways that server administrators can both > build a > >>>>>>> community around their game server (by subscribing to matchmaking) > as well > >>>>>>> as service their group of "regulars" that play on their server. > Hooking game > >>>>>>> servers into Steam Community is going to be our first step, and > we're > >>>>>>> working on that now. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> There is a key difference between Left 4 Dead and games like > Counter-Strike > >>>>>>> and Team Fortress in terms of matchmaking that we wanted to solve, > and > >>>>>>> didn't think the server browser could accomplish. In CS and TF2, > you can > >>>>>>> have 2 or 3 players leave in the middle of a game, have their slots > filled > >>>>>>> by new people, and everyone else's experience doesn't completely > suffer. > >>>>>>> When a player or two leaves Left 4 Dead the game suffers quite a > bit, and we > >>>>>>> were worried that the server browser model wasn't the right one for > this > >>>>>>> game. In hindsight, there are a number of cases where the server > browser > >>>>>>> does a better job than the new matchmaking system does, so it is > highly > >>>>>>> likely that we'll be adding it back in soon. It isn't trivially > easy to turn > >>>>>>> back on, but there is overlap between it and the Steam Community > work we'd > >>>>>>> like to do. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Right now we're working toward getting that release out within a > week or > >>>>>>> so. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> There are a number of Valve employees reading all of the posts on > this > >>>>>>> list, and while we can't reply to every question that comes across, > the > >>>>>>> discussions here are ones we reference commonly when talking about > what to > >>>>>>> do next internally. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives, > >>>>>>> please visit: > >>>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives, please visit: > >>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives, please visit: > >>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > >>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >>> > >>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >> > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
