Having voiced your opinion more than once, isn't it time to call it quits? They either change it or they don't. Move on.
2008/11/12 Timothy L Havener <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > And I still say if I wanted a console gaming experience I would have > bought the 360 version.Call it whining if you want but PC gamers don't > like when stuff like this gets pulled on them. That's just my opinion, > take it or leave it. > > Jake Skenna wrote: > > Erik has already explained what valve is doing and why they are doing it. > > They are not changing it because you don't like matchmaking. This is not > a > > list to whine about you losing faith in a company. Feel free to make a > > comment on what they are trying to do at the moment, but people are not > here > > to listen to whining. > > > > On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 3:43 PM, Timothy L Havener < > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > >> Fine. You want constructive criticism? Here it is. Keep it simple. > >> Stop trying to reinvent the wheel. Give us a simple single tabbed > >> server browser with a filter system and stop with this console copycat > >> garbage. I am a PC gamer for a reason. If I wanted an xbox I would go > >> out out and buy one. > >> > >> > >> Erik Johnson wrote: > >> > >>> For these lists to be useful, both to admins and us, these kinds of > >>> > >> threads need to stop. If you want to get super angry in e-mail, people > >> should send it directly to me and not to a list with over a thousand > e-mail > >> addresses on it. > >> > >>> Criticism is completely OK on this list as long as it is constructive, > >>> > >> which 90% of it has been. Grandstanding and talking about how much you > hate > >> Valve is not really useful to anyone. > >> > >>> I'm going to try the 1 strike and you're out policy for a while on the > >>> > >> list and see how that goes. If people are really upset about something > and > >> want to shoot me an e-mail, that is OK and won't get you banned. > >> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: > >>> > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Timothy L Havener > >> > >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 11:04 AM > >>> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list > >>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Status > >>> > >>> I overreact when I'm frustrated...as I am with Valve. I love their > >>> games but I am getting really tired of hosting servers for their games > >>> when they are continually twisting my arm as an admin to accept things > >>> which make it harder to build a community around those same games. It > >>> just feels like they have forgotten what got them where they are. > >>> > >>> Leonard L. Church wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>> So why are you still on this list? Give up already. > >>>> > >>>> Timothy L Havener wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> I had that hope after the custom tab debacle. I now no longer hold > onto > >>>>> it. I give up on Valve. > >>>>> > >>>>> [ЯтR] The-/<iller wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> Hopefully its only nibbling in ignorance, as we are they're bread > and > >>>>>> butter, and hopefully it will be balanced in the end, keep console > as > >>>>>> console and PC above it all. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Timothy L Havener wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Where once Valve was an innovator in the way we play online games > >>>>>>> > >> they > >> > >>>>>>> have no become a force of complete destruction to the way we play > PC > >>>>>>> games. By reverting to a console style server browser they have > >>>>>>> devolved their game into an Idoit's Guide to Online Gaming. This > is > >>>>>>> just another move on the chess board to marginalize server admins > and > >>>>>>> take complete control of the gaming experience. Anyone who doesn't > >>>>>>> > >> see > >> > >>>>>>> that is blind. I had a little respect for them left after TF2 and > it > >>>>>>> > >> is > >> > >>>>>>> now gone. Keep pissing off admins, Valve, its always good to bite > the > >>>>>>> hand that feeds you. I'm sure those uneducated gamers out there > that > >>>>>>> you are catering to will step up to the plate when all of us are > >>>>>>> > >> gone. > >> > >>>>>>> Good luck with that. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Dj Satane wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Let me get something straight, Erik wrote: " When a player or two > >>>>>>>> > >> leaves > >> > >>>>>>>> Left 4 Dead the game suffers quite a bit, and we were worried that > >>>>>>>> > >> the > >> > >>>>>>>> server browser model wasn't the right one for this game." > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Erik, you don't explain the matchmaking how it solves the problem > >>>>>>>> > >> you > >> > >>>>>>>> are talking about. How does "console style" matchmaking solves the > >>>>>>>> > >> problem > >> > >>>>>>>> of people leaving a left 4 dead game? How does server browser > >>>>>>>> > >> supposedly > >> > >>>>>>>> does not solve this problem? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 2:08 PM, Erik Johnson < > >>>>>>>> > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > >> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> First off, thanks to everyone for running servers for the demo. > We > >>>>>>>>> > >> knew > >> > >>>>>>>>> going into the release that we were going to need to figure out > >>>>>>>>> > >> some ways to > >> > >>>>>>>>> make it worth it for server administrators, and now we have a ton > >>>>>>>>> > >> of > >> > >>>>>>>>> feedback to work with. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Right now we're looking at ways that server administrators can > both > >>>>>>>>> > >> build a > >> > >>>>>>>>> community around their game server (by subscribing to > matchmaking) > >>>>>>>>> > >> as well > >> > >>>>>>>>> as service their group of "regulars" that play on their server. > >>>>>>>>> > >> Hooking game > >> > >>>>>>>>> servers into Steam Community is going to be our first step, and > >>>>>>>>> > >> we're > >> > >>>>>>>>> working on that now. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> There is a key difference between Left 4 Dead and games like > >>>>>>>>> > >> Counter-Strike > >> > >>>>>>>>> and Team Fortress in terms of matchmaking that we wanted to > solve, > >>>>>>>>> > >> and > >> > >>>>>>>>> didn't think the server browser could accomplish. In CS and TF2, > >>>>>>>>> > >> you can > >> > >>>>>>>>> have 2 or 3 players leave in the middle of a game, have their > slots > >>>>>>>>> > >> filled > >> > >>>>>>>>> by new people, and everyone else's experience doesn't completely > >>>>>>>>> > >> suffer. > >> > >>>>>>>>> When a player or two leaves Left 4 Dead the game suffers quite a > >>>>>>>>> > >> bit, and we > >> > >>>>>>>>> were worried that the server browser model wasn't the right one > for > >>>>>>>>> > >> this > >> > >>>>>>>>> game. In hindsight, there are a number of cases where the server > >>>>>>>>> > >> browser > >> > >>>>>>>>> does a better job than the new matchmaking system does, so it is > >>>>>>>>> > >> highly > >> > >>>>>>>>> likely that we'll be adding it back in soon. It isn't trivially > >>>>>>>>> > >> easy to turn > >> > >>>>>>>>> back on, but there is overlap between it and the Steam Community > >>>>>>>>> > >> work we'd > >> > >>>>>>>>> like to do. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Right now we're working toward getting that release out within a > >>>>>>>>> > >> week or > >> > >>>>>>>>> so. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> There are a number of Valve employees reading all of the posts on > >>>>>>>>> > >> this > >> > >>>>>>>>> list, and while we can't reply to every question that comes > across, > >>>>>>>>> > >> the > >> > >>>>>>>>> discussions here are ones we reference commonly when talking > about > >>>>>>>>> > >> what to > >> > >>>>>>>>> do next internally. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > >>>>>>>>> > >> archives, > >> > >>>>>>>>> please visit: > >>>>>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > >>>>>>>> > >> archives, please visit: > >> > >>>>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > >>>>>>> > >> archives, please visit: > >> > >>>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives, > >>>>>> > >> please visit: > >> > >>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives, > >>>>> > >> please visit: > >> > >>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >>>> > >> please visit: > >> > >>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >>> > >> please visit: > >> > >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >>> > >> please visit: > >> > >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >>> > >>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >> please visit: > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >> > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > -- --------- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
