I think most of us could live with that. gulfy wrote: > It seems like they could integrate the matchmaking and the server browser. > Have the lobby leader click search for game and it could come up a list of > all servers that are within a certain latency range. The host could then > click on one and have the whole team join it. That way people who have > certain servers they like can still join them, and people who don't care > what server they join could still have the function of join a random server > through the matchmaker. A server browser not associated with the > matchmaking system would still be a nice addon for people that don't want to > join a lobby and then a game. > > 2008/11/12 Jake Skenna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> Erik has already explained what valve is doing and why they are doing it. >> They are not changing it because you don't like matchmaking. This is not a >> list to whine about you losing faith in a company. Feel free to make a >> comment on what they are trying to do at the moment, but people are not >> here >> to listen to whining. >> >> On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 3:43 PM, Timothy L Havener < >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> > Fine. You want constructive criticism? Here it is. Keep it simple. >> >>> Stop trying to reinvent the wheel. Give us a simple single tabbed >>> server browser with a filter system and stop with this console copycat >>> garbage. I am a PC gamer for a reason. If I wanted an xbox I would go >>> out out and buy one. >>> >>> >>> Erik Johnson wrote: >>> >>>> For these lists to be useful, both to admins and us, these kinds of >>>> >>> threads need to stop. If you want to get super angry in e-mail, people >>> should send it directly to me and not to a list with over a thousand >>> >> e-mail >> >>> addresses on it. >>> >>>> Criticism is completely OK on this list as long as it is constructive, >>>> >>> which 90% of it has been. Grandstanding and talking about how much you >>> >> hate >> >>> Valve is not really useful to anyone. >>> >>>> I'm going to try the 1 strike and you're out policy for a while on the >>>> >>> list and see how that goes. If people are really upset about something >>> >> and >> >>> want to shoot me an e-mail, that is OK and won't get you banned. >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: >>>> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Timothy L Havener >>> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 11:04 AM >>>> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Status >>>> >>>> I overreact when I'm frustrated...as I am with Valve. I love their >>>> games but I am getting really tired of hosting servers for their games >>>> when they are continually twisting my arm as an admin to accept things >>>> which make it harder to build a community around those same games. It >>>> just feels like they have forgotten what got them where they are. >>>> >>>> Leonard L. Church wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> So why are you still on this list? Give up already. >>>>> >>>>> Timothy L Havener wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> I had that hope after the custom tab debacle. I now no longer hold >>>>>> >> onto >> >>>>>> it. I give up on Valve. >>>>>> >>>>>> [ЯтR] The-/<iller wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hopefully its only nibbling in ignorance, as we are they're bread >>>>>>> >> and >> >>>>>>> butter, and hopefully it will be balanced in the end, keep console >>>>>>> >> as >> >>>>>>> console and PC above it all. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Timothy L Havener wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Where once Valve was an innovator in the way we play online games >>>>>>>> >>> they >>> >>>>>>>> have no become a force of complete destruction to the way we play >>>>>>>> >> PC >> >>>>>>>> games. By reverting to a console style server browser they have >>>>>>>> devolved their game into an Idoit's Guide to Online Gaming. This >>>>>>>> >> is >> >>>>>>>> just another move on the chess board to marginalize server admins >>>>>>>> >> and >> >>>>>>>> take complete control of the gaming experience. Anyone who doesn't >>>>>>>> >>> see >>> >>>>>>>> that is blind. I had a little respect for them left after TF2 and >>>>>>>> >> it >> >>> is >>> >>>>>>>> now gone. Keep pissing off admins, Valve, its always good to bite >>>>>>>> >> the >> >>>>>>>> hand that feeds you. I'm sure those uneducated gamers out there >>>>>>>> >> that >> >>>>>>>> you are catering to will step up to the plate when all of us are >>>>>>>> >>> gone. >>> >>>>>>>> Good luck with that. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dj Satane wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Let me get something straight, Erik wrote: " When a player or two >>>>>>>>> >>> leaves >>> >>>>>>>>> Left 4 Dead the game suffers quite a bit, and we were worried that >>>>>>>>> >>> the >>> >>>>>>>>> server browser model wasn't the right one for this game." >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Erik, you don't explain the matchmaking how it solves the problem >>>>>>>>> >>> you >>> >>>>>>>>> are talking about. How does "console style" matchmaking solves the >>>>>>>>> >>> problem >>> >>>>>>>>> of people leaving a left 4 dead game? How does server browser >>>>>>>>> >>> supposedly >>> >>>>>>>>> does not solve this problem? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 2:08 PM, Erik Johnson < >>>>>>>>> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> First off, thanks to everyone for running servers for the demo. >>>>>>>>>> >> We >> >>> knew >>> >>>>>>>>>> going into the release that we were going to need to figure out >>>>>>>>>> >>> some ways to >>> >>>>>>>>>> make it worth it for server administrators, and now we have a ton >>>>>>>>>> >>> of >>> >>>>>>>>>> feedback to work with. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Right now we're looking at ways that server administrators can >>>>>>>>>> >> both >> >>> build a >>> >>>>>>>>>> community around their game server (by subscribing to >>>>>>>>>> >> matchmaking) >> >>> as well >>> >>>>>>>>>> as service their group of "regulars" that play on their server. >>>>>>>>>> >>> Hooking game >>> >>>>>>>>>> servers into Steam Community is going to be our first step, and >>>>>>>>>> >>> we're >>> >>>>>>>>>> working on that now. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> There is a key difference between Left 4 Dead and games like >>>>>>>>>> >>> Counter-Strike >>> >>>>>>>>>> and Team Fortress in terms of matchmaking that we wanted to >>>>>>>>>> >> solve, >> >>> and >>> >>>>>>>>>> didn't think the server browser could accomplish. In CS and TF2, >>>>>>>>>> >>> you can >>> >>>>>>>>>> have 2 or 3 players leave in the middle of a game, have their >>>>>>>>>> >> slots >> >>> filled >>> >>>>>>>>>> by new people, and everyone else's experience doesn't completely >>>>>>>>>> >>> suffer. >>> >>>>>>>>>> When a player or two leaves Left 4 Dead the game suffers quite a >>>>>>>>>> >>> bit, and we >>> >>>>>>>>>> were worried that the server browser model wasn't the right one >>>>>>>>>> >> for >> >>> this >>> >>>>>>>>>> game. In hindsight, there are a number of cases where the server >>>>>>>>>> >>> browser >>> >>>>>>>>>> does a better job than the new matchmaking system does, so it is >>>>>>>>>> >>> highly >>> >>>>>>>>>> likely that we'll be adding it back in soon. It isn't trivially >>>>>>>>>> >>> easy to turn >>> >>>>>>>>>> back on, but there is overlap between it and the Steam Community >>>>>>>>>> >>> work we'd >>> >>>>>>>>>> like to do. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Right now we're working toward getting that release out within a >>>>>>>>>> >>> week or >>> >>>>>>>>>> so. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> There are a number of Valve employees reading all of the posts on >>>>>>>>>> >>> this >>> >>>>>>>>>> list, and while we can't reply to every question that comes >>>>>>>>>> >> across, >> >>> the >>> >>>>>>>>>> discussions here are ones we reference commonly when talking >>>>>>>>>> >> about >> >>> what to >>> >>>>>>>>>> do next internally. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>>>>> >>> archives, >>> >>>>>>>>>> please visit: >>>>>>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>>>> >>> archives, please visit: >>> >>>>>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>>> >>> archives, please visit: >>> >>>>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>> >> archives, >> >>> please visit: >>> >>>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>> >> archives, >> >>> please visit: >>> >>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>>>> >>> please visit: >>> >>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>>> >>> please visit: >>> >>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>>> >>> please visit: >>> >>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>> please visit: >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >> > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >
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