Doesn't really matter, it's just something that is easy to blame errors on. I don't remember it being such a big problem before consoles made their comeback, maybe game developers got lazier?
Most bugs that have to do with different hardware and software combinations are performance problems. All the bugs I listed are bugs in the game that you will experience on everything between a 133MHz Pentium and a HAL 9000. On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 6:19 PM, SakeFox <[email protected]> wrote: > oh i know how many different configurations there are. I do comp tech > support for a trauma level 1 hospital. It would be completely different > if they worked some some versions of there corresponding OS version, but > its always the whole OS line. not just this version or that version of > whatever OS > > Olly wrote: >> If you had ANY remote idea of how many hardware/os configurations there are >> out there that could cause problems, you would be a little more lenient. >> While some of valve's releases have been a little too buggy for anyones >> liking, i'm sure that they test things as much as they can before release, >> why would they want to let them selves be known for this sort of thing. >> If valve took a day to fix a release for L4D for example, you sound exactly >> like the type of person who would spend time, opening up his email client, >> and writing another rant about how much valve fails for not releasing on >> time. >> >> 2009/1/6 SakeFox <[email protected]> >> >> >>> it's been basically treated as the norm that it's russian roulette with >>> any update or game release. they keep pushing server files without >>> testing them and we suffer for it. i can't count the number of times >>> after a tf2 update that servers would work because of the server update. >>> Look at the game launches TF2 linux binaries didn't work for hours and >>> L4D windows binaries didn't work for hours. Is the next game just going >>> to have broken binaries for both servers? Is it really that hard to test >>> something before you make it live. This happens all the time and getting >>> more frequent. >>> >>> Karl Weckstrom wrote: >>> >>>> Now THAT is what I consider "Well said". >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [email protected] [mailto: >>>> >>> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Blood Letter >>> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 11:50 AM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve It's Time To Listen And Answer! >>>> >>>> >>>> If Valve completely ignores server operators who provide free servers, >>>> >>> without which their games would be useless, they suck. >>> >>>> If Valve lets long standing bugs, exploits, and security issues go >>>> >>> unattended while focusing only on the latest content update + free weekend, >>> they clearly prioritize sales over customers. >>> >>>> I don't know about Valve's office, but if something goes wrong with a >>>> >>> system at my office, even on Christmas day, we respond to it, and come into >>> the office if necessary. If there are fires wreaking havoc with the power >>> grid and people are being evacuated from their homes, we coordinate to make >>> sure our servers are backed up, the backups are offsite, and the servers are >>> safe. >>> >>>> If someone at Valve wants a break, they can take vacation days. Do they >>>> >>> only have 3 guys, and each only does 1 thing? I hope not. Any company >>> worth it's salt knows you need redundancy in your mind share. >>> >>>> Valve IS ignoring this list, by not replying. They get torn apart >>>> >>> because they never respond to important issues, they're always late, and >>> they never, EVER, provide clear and complete answers, let alone any >>> semblance of documentation. >>> >>>> Even if I were a child, I would still be a paying customer. If you're >>>> >>> saying Valve gets a pass because gaming is not a priority in life, then you >>> don't understand a single thing about having a job. If your job is to make >>> games, you do that. If your job is to deliver mail, you do that. Working >>> in a particular job sector does not give you the right to slack off. >>> >>>> If Valve fixes everything and provides complete and correct >>>> >>> documentation, then they get support and sales. Going from an F to an A >>> doesn't change the fact that you still had an F. >>> >>>> No one is treating Valve like shit. We are simply demanding we get some >>>> >>> support, some documentation, and some communication. We get none of those >>> things. Being a customer DOES give you the right to expect a certain level >>> of quality and service from the business you are patronizing. >>> >>>> If Valve's priorities continue to diverge from what so many of us expect, >>>> >>> that's fine. They'll just lose our money and our support. Let's be clear >>> here - server admins are supporting Valve, not the other way around. I'm >>> sorry I can't apply for a job at Valve, I already have a job of my own. I >>> can't be programming for everyone in the world, can I? Regardless, I >>> wouldn't want to work in an office where a complete lack of customer support >>> gets a passing grade. >>> >>>> Valve's lack of support and communication is indefensible to anyone with >>>> >>> even a remote knowledge of programming and software development. >>> >>>> >>>>> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:12:41 -0500 >>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve It's Time To Listen And Answer! >>>>> >>>>> If Valve doesn't do everything we say, they suck. If Valve doesn't fix >>>>> everything now, they suck. If Valve doesn't kiss our asses every second >>>>> >>> of >>> >>>>> every day, they suck. They don't care, they won't fix this, they refuse >>>>> >>> to >>> >>>>> fix that. All they want is our money. >>>>> >>>>> You all sound like a broken record. And worse than that, you have no >>>>> >>> lives >>> >>>>> outside of this thing we have here. Did anyone stop to think that since >>>>> they all busted their asses for who knows how long getting Left 4 Dead >>>>> >>> out >>> >>>>> the door, while providing updates to TF2 the whole time, that >>>>> >>> maybe...just >>> >>>>> maybe, they'd want to take a break for a little while during the >>>>> >>> holidays? >>> >>>>> You know...so they could spend time with their families. >>>>> >>>>> Honestly, since release of TOB, there have been a relentless amount of >>>>> updates to their products. In the time that has passed from TOB until >>>>> >>> now, >>> >>>>> the only people being neglected were probably most of the families of >>>>> >>> Valve >>> >>>>> employees. Does anyone feel they deserve a little break? >>>>> >>>>> They're ignoring us? Really? You think so? Does anyone here subscribe >>>>> >>> to >>> >>>>> HLCoders? A little civility goes a long way. In my opinion, Valve >>>>> >>> isn't >>> >>>>> ignoring this list, they just don't want to reply. I swear, this list = >>>>> SPUF sometimes. Any two words they say are held against them forever. >>>>> >>>>> I know that a lot of kids subscribe to this list, so it would be >>>>> >>> difficult >>> >>>>> for a lot of you to understand, but there is such a thing as priorities >>>>> >>> in >>> >>>>> life. Gaming is not as high on that list once you have a family to take >>>>> care of and a boss to answer to. And you are not the boss of anyone at >>>>> Valve. >>>>> >>>>> Valve knows about the problems, obviously. You all keep saying the same >>>>> things over and over. Give them a break. Just because you didn't have >>>>> anything to do for the past couple of weeks doesn't mean they had to sit >>>>> around and hop on every little problem we have. What happens when >>>>> >>> updates >>> >>>>> are released to address the current existing issues? Are you going to >>>>> apologize for acting like a bunch of assholes or are you going to feel >>>>> stupid for saying things like, "Valve doesn't care about their games >>>>> anymore"? Wait...I know. 90% of you will say, "Finally." 5% won't be >>>>> happy no matter what. 4% will bring up another issue that Valve is >>>>> ignoring. And 1% will say, "Thank you." >>>>> >>>>> Yes, we paid money for the game. But $50 does not give you the right to >>>>> treat the people trying to help you like shit. Sometimes the problems >>>>> >>> that >>> >>>>> you claim are easy fixes may not be so easy to fix. And since most of >>>>> >>> you >>> >>>>> know for a fact that it's an easy fix, there's always >>>>> >>> [email protected] >>> >>>>> . >>>>> >>>>> Grow up. They are aware of the problems. Like Aaron said, there are >>>>> >>> your >>> >>>>> priorities and then there are business priorities. Just because the >>>>> >>> issues >>> >>>>> high on your list may not be high on theirs doesn't mean they're >>>>> >>> ignoring >>> >>>>> you. But then, it would be stupid of me to assume that most of you >>>>> >>> would >>> >>>>> understand any of that, especially given your attitudes over the past >>>>> >>> few >>> >>>>> months. >>>>> >>>>> -Richard Eid >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>>>> >>> please visit: >>> >>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>> It's the same Hotmail(r). 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