Wo nice link thank you -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of msleeper Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 7:38 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Server and VAC issues
I've posted this link before. It's good to check when you think the Friends / Community / VAC / whatever is down. http://store.steampowered.com/stats/ On Thu, 2009-01-08 at 19:31 -0600, Mike Stiehm wrote: > Is it just me or is anyone else see player drop off's and VAC server issues? > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Patrick Shelley > Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 7:27 PM > To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list > Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve It's Time To Listen AndAnswer! --- they don't owe > you anything. > > These posts arent even funny anymore ---- > > At least can we throw in some personal insults !! > > On 1/9/09, SakeFox <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > This is what happens with a lot of the posts here. Someone puts a valid > > complaint out, then we get a few people with the holier than thou > > attitude that thinks they know better then anyone and from there it > > starts to twist. All this topic is now is who has the rights to post on > > this mailing list and what it's for. Does anyone know what the actual > > original topic was about? You guys complain about the people that post > > issues that are at hand and bash them, then you add the trolls and you > > end up with what we have now. I find it kind of funny for all the people > > that are saying that they hate posts like this, but end up posting more > > on it more then other people. If you don't like a post that is going > > around, instead of complaining about it yourself, ignore it. It's easy > > to setup rules to delete these messages since they have the same subject > > line (except the people that were complaining and had to change the > > subject line). > > > > people complained about the custom tabs and look what happened. And to > > think people told them to just shut it and deal with it > > > > > > Karl Weckstrom wrote: > > > He's just a hungry troll needing to be fed :) > > > > > > I agree with CC2 - Valve owns this list, and it's not very useful > without > > their participation. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [email protected] [mailto: > > [email protected]] On Behalf Of Mike Stiehm > > > Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 6:55 PM > > > To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list' > > > Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve It's Time To Listen AndAnswer! --- they don't > > owe you anything. > > > > > > Wow you are one annoying mofo > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [email protected] > > > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of msleeper > > > Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 5:16 PM > > > To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list > > > Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve It's Time To Listen AndAnswer! --- they don't > > owe > > > you anything. > > > > > > BUT WE HAVE TO PESTER THEM AND EVERYONE WHO READS THIS, EVERY HOUR OF > > > EVERY DAY > > > > > > GEEEEEEEEEEEEEZEEEEEEEEEEE > > > > > > On Thu, 2009-01-08 at 23:06 +0000, Craig Collinson wrote: > > > > > >> as valve has allready said they are aware of the problem and are > working > > >> > > > on > > > > > >> it and they have NO ETA! > > >> jeesus > > >> > > >> 2009/1/8 Karl Weckstrom <[email protected]> > > >> > > >> > > >>> First of all, I made no mention of it today until Kingsley put his hat > > >>> > > > in > > > > > >>> the ring. Though I'm sure someone else would have anyway. > > >>> > > >>> I'm a vocal guy. That's not likely to change. If I have an opinion, > > I'll > > >>> express it whether people like it or not. I find it funny that I can > > say > > >>> nothing at the beginning of the day - but by the end of the day, I'M > > the > > >>> > > > one > > > > > >>> who's bitching. Hilarious indeed! > > >>> > > >>> Msleeper, in his usual style, decided to pitch in his 2 cents as well. > > >>> > > > He's > > > > > >>> entitled. He, like you, is bitching about my bitching. > > >>> > > >>> Call me insane if you like. Call my attempts to get answers bitching > if > > >>> > > > you > > > > > >>> like. Call it whatever you want - because if you haven't figured this > > >>> > > > out by > > > > > >>> now, I don't really care what you think. I care about Valve's response > > >>> > > > to > > > > > >>> this problem, and a timeframe to its solution. > > >>> > > >>> Everything else is meaningless in this thread. This includes your > post, > > >>> msleeper's post, and all the others complaining about our complaining > - > > >>> which in the end isn't going to STOP our complaining - our gripe is > > >>> legitimate and we feel we are entitled to an answer. All you're adding > > >>> > > > is > > > > > >>> extra fluff - but again, you're entitled! > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> -----Original Message----- > > >>> From: [email protected] [mailto: > > >>> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Darren Gordon > > >>> Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 5:46 PM > > >>> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list > > >>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve It's Time To Listen AndAnswer! --- they > don't > > >>> > > > owe > > > > > >>> you anything. > > >>> > > >>> But how are you looking for answers? Constantly bellyaching about a > > >>> problem is not looking for answers, it's bitching. This has been said > > >>> repeatedly, Valve has acknowledged the problem and have said they are > > >>> working on it. There is no timeframe, probably will never be one and > > >>> people repeating the same grievances over and over does NOTHING to > > >>> bring about either a resolution or a timeline for a fix. Yet still > > >>> here you are thinking you're fighting the good fight. > > >>> > > >>> Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting > > >>> different results. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> On Jan 8, 2009, at 2:37 PM, Karl Weckstrom wrote: > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>> I'm ok with that. > > >>>> > > >>>> Let the people looking for answers look for their answers. > > >>>> And the people who are annoyed with it can just shut up and not make > > >>>> the problem worse :) > > >>>> > > >>>> Sounds like a plan to me! > > >>>> > > >>>> -----Original Message----- > > >>>> From: [email protected] [mailto: > > >>>> > > >>> [email protected] > > >>> > > >>>> ] On Behalf Of GM Chicken > > >>>> Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 5:33 PM > > >>>> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list > > >>>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve It's Time To Listen AndAnswer! --- they > > >>>> don't owe you anything. > > >>>> > > >>>> You both assume we all care about your opinions. > > >>>> > > >>>> Those of you who are anti-valve... do you really think one more > > >>>> email is > > >>>> going to make the difference? Do you think they will see your mail > > >>>> and feel > > >>>> it is so impressive that they have to reply? > > >>>> > > >>>> Those of you who are not, do you think that you will ever convince > the > > >>>> others to change their opinions? > > >>>> > > >>>> How about we all try to get along? And more importantly, why don't > > >>>> we try to > > >>>> stop filling thousands of people's inboxes with drivel? > > >>>> > > >>>> Regards, > > >>>> > > >>>> GM Chicken > > >>>> > > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- > > >>>> From: "Karl Weckstrom" <[email protected]> > > >>>> To: "Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list" > > >>>> <[email protected]> > > >>>> Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 10:19 PM > > >>>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve It's Time To Listen AndAnswer! --- they > > >>>> don't owe > > >>>> you anything. > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>> Useless hyperbole. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> You know what they say - you're either part of the solution or part > > >>>>> of the > > >>>>> problem. You've clearly shown what side you're on. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> I'm not asking anyone to abide by my vision. You, on the other > > >>>>> hand, are > > >>>>> trying to cheerlead people into abiding by yours. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Good luck with that. :) > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> -----Original Message----- > > >>>>> From: [email protected] > > >>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of msleeper > > >>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 5:09 PM > > >>>>> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list > > >>>>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve It's Time To Listen And Answer! --- they > > >>>>> don't > > >>>>> owe you anything. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> BUT DARREN THIS IS NOT HOW KARL WOULD RUN THINGS IF IT WERE HIS > > >>>>> COMPANY, > > >>>>> HE HAS BEEN WORKING IN AN IT COMPANY FOR 60 YEARS AND HE WOULD FIRE > > >>>>> EVERY VALVE EMPLOYEE BECAUSE THEY DO NOT LIVE UP TO HIS IMMACULATE > > >>>>> STANDARDS AND EVERYONE MUST ABIDE BY KARL'S VISION OF HOW A FREE AND > > >>>>> UNSUPPORTED MAILING LIST SHOULD BE HANDLED. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> On Thu, 2009-01-08 at 13:48 -0800, Darren Gordon wrote: > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> Seriously? Have you ever been on a mailing list for a piece of > > >>>>>> software before? Go though the HLDS list archives and tell me that > > >>>>>> the content of the posts is in any way similar to now. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> In fact you know what, don't, Kingley is right, this whole > > >>>>>> conversation is pointless. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> On Jan 8, 2009, at 1:30 PM, Karl Weckstrom wrote: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> You aren't the one who needs to "get it". > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> And no, I don't think I've mistaken anything. This is the > dedicated > > >>>>>>> server mailing list. It's owned by Valve. Nowhere is it stated > that > > >>>>>>> this is not to be used for "support" or "complaints". Did you make > > >>>>>>> that up? > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- > > >>>>>>> From: [email protected] > > >>>>>>> [mailto:[email protected] > > >>>>>>> ] On Behalf Of msleeper > > >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 4:22 PM > > >>>>>>> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list > > >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve It's Time To Listen And Answer! --- they > > >>>>>>> don't owe you anything. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Posting 40, 50, and 60 page threads with COMPLAINTS THAT HAVE BEEN > > >>>>>>> MADE > > >>>>>>> FOR WEEKS is spam though, Karl. We get it, you have your panties > > >>>>>>> in a > > >>>>>>> wad. EVERYONE gets it. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> I really think you have mistaken this mailing list as some sort of > > >>>>>>> support or complaint forum. IT'S NOT! This mailing list is for > > >>>>>>> server > > >>>>>>> operators to help eachother. This is not a Valve support list. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> On Thu, 2009-01-08 at 16:15 -0500, Karl Weckstrom wrote: > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Legitimate complaints != Spam. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Our concerns aren't being addressed. Like I've said before, I > just > > >>>>>>>> want answers. I'm not telling Valve they suck - just the > opposite. > > >>>>>>>> I've said many times they're the best in this space. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> But being the best means being accountable. I'm just asking them > > >>>>>>>> to > > >>>>>>>> give us some kind of idea as to when this very serious problem > > >>>>>>>> will > > >>>>>>>> be fixed. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- > > >>>>>>>> From: [email protected] > > >>>>>>>> [mailto:[email protected] > > >>>>>>>> ] On Behalf Of Kingsley Foreman > > >>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 4:09 PM > > >>>>>>>> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list > > >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve It's Time To Listen And Answer! --- > they > > >>>>>>>> don't owe you anything. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> I've stayed quiet on this one but seriously i'm sick of the spam. > > >>>>>>>> If you > > >>>>>>>> want to whine about Valve go create your own mail list and feel > > >>>>>>>> free to do > > >>>>>>>> it all you want. 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