I have to agree with mike on this. No. Really I HAVE to.
Neil Voutt http://www.neilvoutt.com Sent from my iPhone On 10-Feb-09, at 2:17 PM, Mike Stiehm <[email protected]> wrote: > Also next time we find a crash exploit and someone posts the command > that is used to crash severs it will be up for easy grabs by the > public. > > > > On Feb 10, 2009, at 8:54 AM, Alec Sanger <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> but these issues still do make it to the steam forums, and tons of >> other forums around the internet. The difference is that the >> individuals on this list all have a common goal - to keep their >> servers running smoothly and to solve any issues as soon as >> possible. If the forum stays how it is, it will continue to be >> flooded by beginner questions that can be answered with a quick >> google search. >> >> I do see the argument for moving it to the forums, but this little >> community we have has a pretty narrow scope, and that allows us to >> tackle issues more effectively. I also check the list from my phone. >> If I have to go to the forums every time I want to see the status of >> something, chances are I will rarely be able to visit. >> >> Thank you, >> Alec Sanger >> P: 248.941.3813 >> F: 313.286.8945 >> >> >> >>> Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 09:37:53 -0500 >>> From: [email protected] >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing >>> lists >>> >>> I agree with the sentiment that a mailing list is useless without >>> valve reading it and/or responding. >>> >>> I also agree with moving it to a forum. While it's both good and >>> bad for the same reason (everyone can see it), it's also a lot more >>> exposing. I think big, glaring bugs should be seen for what they >>> are. They shouldn't be kept within the confines of a mailing list >>> that has a limited audience. Sometimes a little pressure from the >>> internet at large is a good thing :) >>> >>> I think Valve is doing the right thing by putting a little pressure >>> on themselves. >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] >>> [mailto:[email protected] >>> ] On Behalf Of Matt 'mole' Ashton >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:33 AM >>> To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list' >>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing >>> lists >>> >>> Also, other forums have been available for posting on (srcds.com, >>> alliedmodders) and people are still here at the mailing list >>> instead. Moving >>> to the steam forums won't make everything more central, it will >>> separate it >>> as people will make their own unofficial mailing lists and other >>> avenues of >>> information rather than flock to the steam forums. >>> >>> Like many other people have said in these responses, I don't want >>> another >>> forum or website to remember to read, and I suspect by getting rid >>> of this >>> mailing list and forcing everyone to use the forum then over time >>> you would >>> lose a lot of the current knowledgeable and useful responders here >>> and just >>> end up with more "not-so-useful" posters on the steam forums. So >>> then server >>> administrators have lost another good form of support and >>> discussion. >>> >>> Mailing list is convenient, you always get it and have your own >>> copy and >>> don't have to respond if you don't want to. If you don't like a >>> topic then >>> you can just erase all e-mails with that subject. You can read on >>> something >>> that you hadn't thought of or just erase all e-mails. You also have >>> the >>> preview pane in your e-mail client so its easy to go through the >>> threads at >>> a glance. It's always "just there". >>> With a forum you have to go out of your way, clicking back and >>> forth between >>> threads rather than a glance and slowly people would drop off and >>> you'd get >>> less of the really helpful people around. >>> >>> I think this list is great and should be left as-is. I only signed >>> up just >>> under a year ago and has since caused me to look out for more >>> useful mailing >>> lists in other things I do regularly. >>> >>> Matt >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] >>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Zover >>> Mirklo >>> Sent: 10 February 2009 08:23 >>> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing >>> lists >>> >>> No forums, no forum-mail gateways, no other unneeded stuff.. All is >>> just fine with the mailing list - only needed information, almost >>> only >>> smart, mature people, easy to read, always available in my mailbox >>> etc.. Oldschool stuff is the best. Speaking about moderators on >>> steam >>> forums from the mailing list members- its unsafe, their forum >>> accounts >>> could be hijacked (dont know how to say it in english), their >>> passwords can be stolen etc and if some information will be lost on >>> official steam forums or something else will happen who will take >>> responsibility for this? Thats totally unneeded. I am happy you >>> Valve >>> reconsidered this (hopefully) and that you care what we all think >>> about this..  I know you want to make things better but this is >>> the case when there is really no need to change something about >>> mailing list. >>> Quoting O!KAK : I think best solutioin will be gateway (in both >>> direction) to valve`s forum. >>> Somthing like this - >>> http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=92588 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>> archives, please visit: >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>> >>> >>> Links: >>> ------ >>> [1] mailto:[email protected] >>> _______________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>> archives, >>> please visit: >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>> archives, please visit: >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>> archives, please visit: >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Windows Live™: E-mail. 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