let's be some objective:

1. if you don't like this plugin, this means that you farm achievements
2. i farmed achievements, thats right
3. i'm competitive player, i don't care about achievements, i care about new
weapons
4. it's valve fault, BLAME VALVE, they had to put all new weapons in
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2009/2/27 Patrick Shelley <[email protected]>

> Sleepers tag even says F7Lans Founder
>
> more like F7Lans Flounder!
>
> On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 5:18 PM, Cc2iscooL <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Kekekekeke.
> >
> > http://forums.f7lans.com/farm-at-f7lans-be-banned-t1380.html
> >
> > It's on your forums. As far as I'm concerned it's an official bulletin
> from
> > F7. :)
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 4:27 AM, f0rkz <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > How about we keep f7 out of this.  This was an uncoordinated event not
> > > discussed with upper management.
> > >
> > >
> > > f0rkz
> > > f7lans.com - Not your moms marble madness
> > >
> > >
> > > On Feb 26, 2009, at 6:39 PM, Chris wrote:
> > >
> > > > So, I didn't know what clan msleeper was running but thought there
> > > > would be
> > > > loads of people complaining on his forums, and right enough in his
> > > > bans
> > > > section loads of people are complaining... First thread I saw this
> > > > reply
> > > > from one of his "TF2 Division" members:
> > > >
> > > > "Or just do it on another non F7 server like everyone else who farms
> > > > achievements does and don't fall for msleepers little trap next
> > > > time. "
> > > >
> > > > I think you should ban this guy msleeper, not only does he play on
> > > > your
> > > > server but he's one of your clan members in "TF2 Division" and he's
> > > > condones
> > > > and obviously is involved in the highly illicit practice of
> > > > farming,  and
> > > > advising those who play on your servers to farm elsewhere!
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 11:29 PM, Blood Letter
> > > > <[email protected]>wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>
> > > >> This is not some noble cause that warrants beating your own drum in
> a
> > > >> one-man parade.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> What you're doing is the equivalent of a child offering to share
> > > >> their
> > > >> toys with another child, then taking them away and yelling "NO!
> > > >> You're
> > > >> not allowed to play with my toys anymore!  And my friends all hate
> > > >> you
> > > >> too!  Hey everyone!  Isn't this person stupid!  Don't ever play with
> > > >> him because he's stupid!"
> > > >>
> > > >>> From: [email protected]
> > > >>> To: [email protected]
> > > >>> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 18:16:35 -0500
> > > >>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I am not trying to win anything. Farming is a polarized topic,
> where
> > > >>> people feel agree it is wrong, or feel it is fine and isn't
> > > >>> against the
> > > >>> rules. Like all server communities, it is up to individual server
> > > >>> admins
> > > >>> to decide what they want to be allowed and not to be allowed. Am I
> > > >>> saying that every single admin or player out there needs to feel
> the
> > > >>> same way I do? Of course not.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I'm not going to say that people need to feel the same way I feel
> > > >>> about
> > > >>> farming, either. It's not "off base" and it's not the way that you
> > > >>> feel,
> > > >>> so awesome. Don't run it, and enjoy farmers on your servers.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On Thu, 2009-02-26 at 16:54 -0600, CLAN RCR wrote:
> > > >>>> msleeper, you are entirely missing the principal people are using
> > > >>>> to
> > > >> judge
> > > >>>> your logic/decision to base your bans off of.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Until you decide to at least consider the fact that you might
> > > >>>> possibly
> > > >> be
> > > >>>> off base, weather or not you wrote a plugin to do this or that is
> a
> > > >> moot
> > > >>>> point. The quality or usability of the plugin isn't what is
> > > >>>> behind the
> > > >>>> driving force to resist you, it is the logic that farming is
> > > >>>> somehow a
> > > >>>> banable offence that people are disagreeing with, and until you
> > > >> consider the
> > > >>>> other arguements logically you will never win the arguement.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> -Matt
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 4:41 PM, msleeper <[email protected]
> >
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> Hey look I can crosspost to AlliedModders too. FYI my Karma is
> > > >>>>> back
> > > >> up
> > > >>>>> to where it was before, not like I care too much.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> I think you're missing the point. Nobody is forcing you to use
> the
> > > >>>>> plugin, or enforce the banlist I have up. I am being called
> > > >>>>> self-righteous, but then being flamed and -Karma'd for something
> > > >>>>> that
> > > >>>>> nobody is being held at gun point to use.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> If you don't like it, don't use it. End of story.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
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