This. I imagine the purpose of the VAC system is to stop cheats that give an unfair advantage. Idling in a server, be it by minimised official client or third-party client is no different. It's still idling. Not to mention the fact that even if VALVe wanted to design the system to block/ban this particular client, they couldn't, as the server it connects to is not VAC secure (probably for exactly that reason, they aren't pretending to be a legitimate way to play the game).
People are creating a storm in a teacup about this, it's a very small percentage of a very large player base that use it. And even then this whole argument is a moot point, as achievements are now grindable again to gain unlocks (YAY!). /thread _______________________________________________________ Shane Arnold - [email protected] "For want of a nail, the horseshoe was lost. For want of a horseshoe, the horse was lost. For want of a horse, the messenger was lost. For want of a messenger, the message was not delivered. For want of an undelivered message the war was lost." tgnwells wrote: > It's not really any different than running TF2 in an idling server and > minimizing the window, I wouldn't say it's very honest but I wouldn't > really classify it as a cheat. > > And VACs main purpose is protecting the game process, I don't think you > could get VAC banned from just manipulating the Steam API to perform > simple tricks like this unless you do it from within the game, while > connected to a VAC secured server. Although it seems possible if you > were to try to connect to a legitimate (VAC enabled) server using what > would appear to be a phony client that VAC might flag your account, > although I think it'd most likely just refuse the connection. > > On 5/31/2009 4:01 PM, SakeFox wrote: > >> I really shouldn't be starting in on this since I really want this >> thread to die, but by your logic using a application to let me see >> through walls to improve my performance is no difference then using >> custom materials that let me see through wall for better performance. >> >> Donnie Newlove wrote: >> >> >>> In the end the only difference between idling in your app or idling in >>> TF2 is RAM, CPU and if not minimized, GPU used. It's no more cheating >>> than running TF2 in DX8 mode to get better performance. >>> >>> On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 11:45 PM, Cc2iscooL<[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> Seeing as it mimics idling in a server even though you're not idling in a >>>> server it could be considered a cheat. >>>> >>>> You're not actually running a game. You're using a program to emulate the >>>> game's function of connecting to a server. As far as I'm concerned that >>>> seems like cheating to me. It's like editing your punch times at work to >>>> say >>>> you were working when you really took the day off instead, and you're still >>>> getting paid. While you can't really get in trouble if you have nothing to >>>> do all day at work, you can get in trouble for editing your time sheet to >>>> say you were at work when you actually weren't. >>>> >>>> iGiggled >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Cc2iscooL >>>> Head Admin/Owner >>>> http://www.cc2iscool.com >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Philip Bembridge<[email protected] >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Valve: feel free to block the program, but please PLEASE after the weapon >>>>> drop probabilities are geared towards playing well.. similar to the crit >>>>> calculation!! >>>>> >>>>> @ cc2iscool: is this program any different to sitting idle in a server? >>>>> then >>>>> sitting in an idle server is cheating... if so, how are you going to strip >>>>> their achieves? You can't strip one without stripping the other >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>>>> please visit: >>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>>> please visit: >>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>> please visit: >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
