My only issue is that most donator rights come with a benefit. i.e. you
donate you get round end immunity, which by all standards isn't bad. If
you on a !rtd server you get 100% positive rolls. However, like many
servers that I have been on you can also buy adminship, ban immunity,
extra health, unlimited ammo, multiple senturies, noclip, 0 grav, and
much much more. These are very simple ways of getting lots of people to
donate, but they pollute the game. I've been on servers where there is
purchasable adminship and all they did was abuse. I've been on servers
with unlimited ammo and they just spammed the whole game. These servers
you would think would go into the ground, but they don't they are safe
as all the people who donated keep coming back for there kicks and
people keep coming because the server has players. Finally those players
buy it too and then you get servers which I fear. Where the only way to
have fun, and some slight bit of success is to buy / donate and the only
way to be better then everyone else is to donate more.
The above is what scared me more then an ad, I don't even realize the ad
is there much of the time anymore. However, I still find servers with
the above living and breathing and there communities are 10000+ on steam
groups, with there auto-inviters. Yet I stayed small and let my
community slowly blossom into a 161 steam group members =D and over 80K
connects in less then 7 months. I was asked if I wanted an auto-inviter,
and I said "no." Yet people still no the name of my servers and they
carry around the clan tag with pride. I never pushed them into using it,
they just started to add it. There happy when they are on and in the end
that is all that matters. I never had to use a fake client cheat and I
work swiftly to kill all cheaters. Yet this conversation is still based
on one fact, "ads." I use them and people keep connecting. They come on
to the server and quickly begin beating the crap out of other players,
laughing and trying to sell that one item that they want to get rid of
for a simple scrap. My server is ranked 52nd on gametracker so I must
not be doing anything horribly wrong and mind you this is less then 6
months to almost the top. My server doesn't have the overzealous player
count of 32, but a more reasonable 26. Players keep coming and keep
asking for more. My 26 player server is now nearly full 24/7 and rarely
blips down below 16 players. I compete with your 32 and yet I survive.
The fact is that even if you say that ads are against your community,
there what keeps mine up. Players say "...YOUR SERVER HAD RUINED ME FOR
ALL OTHER[s]...." and yet I still have ads.
You think that ads kill communities, I think abusive admins, and
unrestrained donator rights do.
The End.
On 8/10/2012 8:32 PM, Russell Smith wrote:
The difference is Red Bull is going out and promoting themselves.
You're not promoting yourself when you show an ad in your motd.
Instead you're promoting someone else and diluting your community brand.
I feel like this crosses a line where you're no longer trying to run a
community, but rather run a business. At that point it seems like the
players are being used to feed the business instead of persuaded to
stay by running a place that is welcoming and fun.
This is my gut feeling as a player. I also feel like this reflects
poorly on not only the server, but on Valve as the developer for
allowing this in the game. I can't imagine that was their intention
when they put in the web browser for the motd.
On 8/10/2012 6:58 PM, Todd Pettit wrote:
I am? You think pinion is getting bigger and bigger sponsors every
week because its a failed idea?
You think Red Bull are idiots for having plane races, modifiying mini
coopers, hiring models, buying a arena football team, hiring a man to
jump a ramp on a motorcycle on New Years Eve and running thousands of
ads until every single one of us cannot possibly forget the phrase
"Red Bull Gives You Wings"?!?
Well sir you need an education in Economics 101 or you better start
thinking about what trade school you want to attend.
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