Pay to win servers can't be used properly. Donations can though On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 12:31 AM, Cameron Munroe <[email protected]> wrote: > Yes, but as well both can be used properly. > > > On 8/10/2012 9:29 PM, Russell Smith wrote: > > Pay to win servers and running ads can both be abused, yes. Which is why I > do neither. Is that what you meant by both? > > On 8/10/2012 9:26 PM, Cameron Munroe wrote: > > Yet you see that both can be abused? > > > On 8/10/2012 9:23 PM, Russell Smith wrote: > > There is a middle ground, I feel. I view it as my responsibility to fund > the servers, but for those who choose to donate I simply give them access to > reserved slots. I have a handful of hidden slots set up so no one already > in game gets kicked when someone with a reserved slot chooses to join. > > The donator rights you describe are certainly deplorable. I've never played > on servers set up that way, but it sounds like those that do and donate are > the sort who play through games using cheat codes to win. That or they are > naive and were tricked into believing that is how the game is meant to be > played, which is a shortcoming of the quick play system in my opinion that > people are sent to those servers in the first place. > > I also don't run a 32 player server. I run 2 24 player servers, not that it > matters. > > On 8/10/2012 9:00 PM, Cameron Munroe wrote: > > My only issue is that most donator rights come with a benefit. i.e. you > donate you get round end immunity, which by all standards isn't bad. If you > on a !rtd server you get 100% positive rolls. However, like many servers > that I have been on you can also buy adminship, ban immunity, extra health, > unlimited ammo, multiple senturies, noclip, 0 grav, and much much more. > These are very simple ways of getting lots of people to donate, but they > pollute the game. I've been on servers where there is purchasable adminship > and all they did was abuse. I've been on servers with unlimited ammo and > they just spammed the whole game. These servers you would think would go > into the ground, but they don't they are safe as all the people who donated > keep coming back for there kicks and people keep coming because the server > has players. Finally those players buy it too and then you get servers which > I fear. Where the only way to have fun, and some slight bit of success is to > buy / donate and the only way to be better then everyone else is to donate > more. > > The above is what scared me more then an ad, I don't even realize the ad is > there much of the time anymore. However, I still find servers with the above > living and breathing and there communities are 10000+ on steam groups, with > there auto-inviters. Yet I stayed small and let my community slowly blossom > into a 161 steam group members =D and over 80K connects in less then 7 > months. I was asked if I wanted an auto-inviter, and I said "no." Yet people > still no the name of my servers and they carry around the clan tag with > pride. I never pushed them into using it, they just started to add it. There > happy when they are on and in the end that is all that matters. I never had > to use a fake client cheat and I work swiftly to kill all cheaters. Yet this > conversation is still based on one fact, "ads." I use them and people keep > connecting. They come on to the server and quickly begin beating the crap > out of other players, laughing and trying to sell that one item that they > want to get rid of for a simple scrap. My server is ranked 52nd on > gametracker so I must not be doing anything horribly wrong and mind you this > is less then 6 months to almost the top. My server doesn't have the > overzealous player count of 32, but a more reasonable 26. Players keep > coming and keep asking for more. My 26 player server is now nearly full 24/7 > and rarely blips down below 16 players. I compete with your 32 and yet I > survive. > > The fact is that even if you say that ads are against your community, there > what keeps mine up. Players say "...YOUR SERVER HAD RUINED ME FOR ALL > OTHER[s]...." and yet I still have ads. > > You think that ads kill communities, I think abusive admins, and > unrestrained donator rights do. > > The End. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >
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