Pay to win servers and running ads can both be abused, yes. Which is
why I do neither. Is that what you meant by both?
On 8/10/2012 9:26 PM, Cameron Munroe wrote:
Yet you see that both can be abused?
On 8/10/2012 9:23 PM, Russell Smith wrote:
There is a middle ground, I feel. I view it as my responsibility to
fund the servers, but for those who choose to donate I simply give
them access to reserved slots. I have a handful of hidden slots set
up so no one already in game gets kicked when someone with a
reserved slot chooses to join.
The donator rights you describe are certainly deplorable. I've never
played on servers set up that way, but it sounds like those that do
and donate are the sort who play through games using cheat codes to
win. That or they are naive and were tricked into believing that is
how the game is meant to be played, which is a shortcoming of the
quick play system in my opinion that people are sent to those servers
in the first place.
I also don't run a 32 player server. I run 2 24 player servers, not
that it matters.
On 8/10/2012 9:00 PM, Cameron Munroe wrote:
My only issue is that most donator rights come with a benefit. i.e.
you donate you get round end immunity, which by all standards isn't
bad. If you on a !rtd server you get 100% positive rolls. However,
like many servers that I have been on you can also buy adminship,
ban immunity, extra health, unlimited ammo, multiple senturies,
noclip, 0 grav, and much much more. These are very simple ways of
getting lots of people to donate, but they pollute the game. I've
been on servers where there is purchasable adminship and all they
did was abuse. I've been on servers with unlimited ammo and they
just spammed the whole game. These servers you would think would go
into the ground, but they don't they are safe as all the people who
donated keep coming back for there kicks and people keep coming
because the server has players. Finally those players buy it too and
then you get servers which I fear. Where the only way to have fun,
and some slight bit of success is to buy / donate and the only way
to be better then everyone else is to donate more.
The above is what scared me more then an ad, I don't even realize
the ad is there much of the time anymore. However, I still find
servers with the above living and breathing and there communities
are 10000+ on steam groups, with there auto-inviters. Yet I stayed
small and let my community slowly blossom into a 161 steam group
members =D and over 80K connects in less then 7 months. I was asked
if I wanted an auto-inviter, and I said "no." Yet people still no
the name of my servers and they carry around the clan tag with
pride. I never pushed them into using it, they just started to add
it. There happy when they are on and in the end that is all that
matters. I never had to use a fake client cheat and I work swiftly
to kill all cheaters. Yet this conversation is still based on one
fact, "ads." I use them and people keep connecting. They come on to
the server and quickly begin beating the crap out of other players,
laughing and trying to sell that one item that they want to get rid
of for a simple scrap. My server is ranked 52nd on gametracker so I
must not be doing anything horribly wrong and mind you this is less
then 6 months to almost the top. My server doesn't have the
overzealous player count of 32, but a more reasonable 26. Players
keep coming and keep asking for more. My 26 player server is now
nearly full 24/7 and rarely blips down below 16 players. I compete
with your 32 and yet I survive.
The fact is that even if you say that ads are against your
community, there what keeps mine up. Players say "...YOUR SERVER HAD
RUINED ME FOR ALL OTHER[s]...." and yet I still have ads.
You think that ads kill communities, I think abusive admins, and
unrestrained donator rights do.
The End.
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