Once upon a time there was SPUF. /thread.
On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 8:04 AM, Saint K. <[email protected]> wrote: > Once upon a time there was an era where community's survived on > donations. Receiving donations was an indication of the community doing a > good job, after all, if they weren't, they wouldn't receive donations and > the community wouldn't last. > > With crap like Pinion nowadays all that counts is luring people in to > connect and then earn money per player being forced to watch the pinion > crap in their MOTD (MVM matchmaking and quickplay makes for an easy task to > do this). > > You can host the most shittiest servers now and still earn money to > survive. > > I for one would like to see VALVe picks up their old policies again, where > advertising in their games was completely prohibited. > > Want to have better quality servers again VALVe? Then make sure you get > rid of crap like Pinion. > > My 2 cents. > > Saint K. > ------------------------------ > *From:* [email protected] [ > [email protected]] on behalf of Devin [ > [email protected]] > *Sent:* 04 June 2013 17:50 > > *To:* 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list' > *Subject:* Re: [hlds] NO to in game advertising > > Valve and Pinion are independent companies. Pinion is designed to help > offset the overhead required to host servers, web sites, etc. Valve isn’t > going to force you to start using pinion. My goodness, use some brain power > at some point. Don’t just spew your knee-jerk reactions on a mailing list > that end up harassing people with your bonehead thoughts. > > > > > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Doctor McKay > *Sent:* Monday, June 03, 2013 4:49 PM > *To:* Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list > *Subject:* Re: [hlds] NO to in game advertising > > > > This mailing list is for server operators, not for players. Please take it > to SPUF or SPUD if you want to discuss this. > > > > > > > Doctor McKay > > http://www.doctormckay.com > > [email protected] > > > > On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 11:49 AM, big john <[email protected]> wrote: > > What the hell is this random mumbo jumbo. It was clear in the first 2 > sentences the you have no idea what you are talking about. > > On Jun 3, 2013 11:47 AM, "proto mon" <[email protected]> wrote: > > Holy Jesus Please disable these ads > > They are getting so god damn annoying, And the audio ads are even worst. > They keep playing somehow even if you switch the server. You literally have > to quit the game to stop the ads. > > > > > > > > On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 2:42 AM, G. Hutchinson <[email protected]> > wrote: > > This pinion thing first visited the list a month or two back and I wrote > a response to the list voicing my two cents. However I did this from my > phone and it got bounced back for because of the previous posts not being > cropped down. In short it essentially said "Shame on Valve for even > entertaining something like pinion" pertaining to any in game advertising. > > Valve is selling hats, drop items, etc etc etc... The game is still > generating money. To play the game we see advertising when we log in to > steam. I don't want to see ads when playing games for Viagra, Uncle Bucks > Beer, and Lysol. Everyone knows Uncle Buck is in the Klan. If Valve wants > to pursue money in advertising, then replace the cereal boxes in L4D with > Honeycomb and Fruit Loop boxes. Make the soda cans in the games that are > lying around Pepsi cans and profit that way. You're welcome for the idea... > (% my way). > > MAKE MOVIES... > > If other community owners want to show ads on their MOTD, have at it. > Whether it is through pinion, or by bypassing pinion and seeking ads > through other means and cutting out the "middle man", ie; pinon. Live and > let live. > > However, my fear is about the day Valve "forces" the servers I run to show > ads or do anything through the in game browser I am unaware of for that > matter, of such nature. They are ran on my hardware, at my expense, running > essentially an "open source" game server file(s). Or at least that's how it > started out. So if this changes, I would expect to see a full disclosure on > the matter, and expect to have to click something saying I approve of the > conditions before downloading the new server files to my server prior to > implementation. Warranting today's society, a class action suit undoubtedly > would pop up and surely Valve is clever enough to think of such matters, > thus dropping such a concept of pinion rather quickly. > > Now through my own absurdity I hope it makes Valve see it's own... If any > of this pinion crap is true. > > I am reasonable... I would expect 50,000% profit for my share of monies > generated. That is fifty thousand percent, not 50 percent. I am reasonable > after all... Should the day come that I entertained a partnership with > Valve as an advertising agency. This would cover any future potential and > probably legal expenses expected to incur. And that's what would occur... > My hardware would them become a venue of advertising the game more so than > I already do, not to mention the involvement of a third party(s) and their > products. I would also expect a seat on the "board" to approve and review > any such ads conveyed though my medium. And the typical 20% from any > advertisers I obtain and bring to the table that are interested. > > Should Valve "force" me to advertise through the current concept of the > "MOTD Browser" in game for any of the game servers I host, I will probably > not host them any longer. In fact, I am sure I would no longer host them in > protest. The same if Valve will not show my servers in the game browser or > include me in matchmaking pools simply because I chose not to promote > advertising unknown products through such medium. That is not a way to > treat the folks that assisted in making your games a success for you. WE > THE PEOPLE ran the majority of the servers promoting your games at our own > cost. > > Game console, Steam, PC computing... At what point does the "want to take > over the world" settle back down to reason? Is ValveOS next (®) ? > > Make Half Life 3... Left4Dead 3 (bigger maps and 6/6 or 8/8 for versus > please), or even make a TF3... Make money that way Valve... You look like > beggars and extortionist when you team up with such things as an > advertising plugin if that is what you have done. Have some dignity. > > Now mind you, whoever designed and thought of this pinion gig, more power > too you... Brilliant... I wished I had thought of it. But Valve having any > official involvement with it... Just doesn't sit right with me or anyone > else I have discussed it with. > > Now if you think my post is ridiculous, imagine how YOU look Valve > entertaining ANY involvement with such. > > NO TO FORCED IN GAME ADVERTISING *if it is being entertained... > * > But that's just my two cents... > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >
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