Just FYI, the whole "if players found community servers valuable, they would be playing on them", isn't even remotely valid. If you owned a popular restaurant, and the government came in and built an expressway that bypassed that restaurant completely (and only your existing customers even knew there was an off ramp somewhere to get to you), eventually you would close your doors, and through no fault of your own.
Any and all perceived "problems" Valve might have had with community server could be easily and quickplay fixed, simply by doing the following: 1. Make the client server-blacklisting system work across the board with both the server browser AND quickplay. 2. Allow players to blacklist individual servers and/or whole groups of servers that belong to a particular Steam ID (which would prevent them from ever being re-connected to those servers/groups of servers). 3. After doing the above, default quickplay to "all" when using the "play multiplayer" button (if they choose to continue to use that horrible design choice) OR even better - break the buttons up as suggested in THIS <http://i.imgur.com/tAmWXj6.png> UI design proposal. That's it - that's all it would take. Do that, and community servers would be self-policing (bad servers would naturally be blacklisted over time), and players would be exposed again to all options they have in terms of diversity and choice (something which is slowly, but surely, being stamped out of the game). There can be no question that the game experience is better in the long-term on good community servers. Skill levels are higher, communication is better, and teamwork actually exists on a regular basis. Members of the TF2 team have admitted that themselves on this very mailing list. It doesn't need to be an "us against them" scenario, as again - all the TF2 team need do is expand existing tools available to the players to police their own experience to once again allow equitable treatment to community servers. ...but again, this has all been said time and again via this list, and I doubt anyone on the TF2 team even reads it anymore. I think if they planned to carry though on "supporting communities passionate about the game" as they once again mentioned just 5 months ago, then they would have done so by now. On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 8:14 AM, <m...@adam-walker.me.uk> wrote: > There is a difference between official servers and officially HOSTED > servers. Minecraft Realms is still community run and operated. Realms is to > Minecraft what Multiplay is to TF2 - A hosting provider. It's not correct > to mix the two. > > > On 2015-12-18 12:45, Robert Paulson wrote: > >> Your understanding is flawed then. Everything you've been saying is >> logically flawed and it just seems like you are just trying to be as >> troll as possible. >> >> If hosting servers was a zero sum game, then why would the would Valve >> let people do it? Use your brain and think. They do it because it is >> NOT a zero sum game. We get something out of it and they get something >> out of it. >> >> It doesn't matter if they were on quickplay.I don't know how many >> times I have to repeat myself. My point is that even servers that >> aren't eligible for quickplay were negatively affected because most >> players are now never even aware that community servers exist given >> the tiny button that browse servers have. If you ever ran a saxton/ff >> server you would know what I am talking about, but you obvious don't >> have any experience in this matter. There used to be dozens of custom >> servers populated 24/7 and now there are maybe 3-4. >> >> Why is minecraft not a valid argument? You know that there is an >> official minecraft host called minecraft realms? And they don't >> plaster them all over the top of the main menu. Why does the game mode >> even matter? Again, wrong on all points. >> >> And why do the lack of complaints flooding reddit mean that Valve >> should ignore the issue? As Henry Ford famously said, "If I had asked >> people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses". If >> people don't know there's something better, they won't ask for it. The >> community players didn't complain about it right away because it was a >> slow change and it was hard to figure out that Valve was at fault for >> killing off their server because they never use quickplay. >> >> And yes Valve does owe something to communities WHO ALSO HAPPEN TO BE >> THEIR PLAYERS AND CUSTOMERS not to break crucial features that were >> sold on release such as being able to host the game and have a fair >> chance to get players. It doesn't matter if people shuda wuda cuda >> shifted to custom game modes which are actually deader than regular >> tf2. >> >> If you ever release a game or marketplace, please tell everyone you >> are going to screw them over as soon as it is more profitable for >> them. Let's see how well that works out for you. >> >> @rd, I think someone was complaining here about your stop the tank >> being on quickplay several months ago. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >
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