Not only that, but it will lure them and anybody who they release their code to into a false sense of security. They use it, and then more and more use it, and then suddenly they all get banned. Sorta building up a userbase and then crushing it quickly :) It's a win-lose situation: you allow some people to get away with it for a while, but then they eventually get what they deserve. Another point is that people may be worried about using their hacks, because I know that at least for myself, I do not want to have to shell out more money for a game that I already purchased :P
--- Bryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Think of it this way. If a cheater is writing code > and he wants to test > it out to see if it is working or not. He joins a > server and boom he is > kicked for using a cheat? What has this done? It has > just showed him > what the Anti-cheat software is looking for and > where he need to change > his code. Trust me when I say these cheaters and > hackers are not some > dumb punk on the street corner. They are clever > folks and they test the > system constantly to find out what works and what > doesn't. Some of your > best anti-cheat programers are former cheaters > themselves. Kicking them > instantly upon the detection of a cheat gives them > positive feedback on > how well they wrote their code. In a sense instant > kicks are helping the > cheaters and hackers out. > > Crazy_One > > aprand wrote: > > > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Updating VAC2 > > Pro-active means acting in advance. While there > might be SOME > > pro-active > > measures valve can take, by making sure there are > no erors or exploits on > > thier code, VAC needs to look for specific markers > or files that need to > > already exist, else how can they be found? As for > the need of some > > kind of > > list m0gley: If you have a spyware program, and it > never says it > > caught any > > spyware, how do you know it works? Would you keep > such a program? No, we > > need to see results. As for delayed banning: think > of this Bryan, is it > > better for a thief to be afraid he might be > caught, or for him to > > actually > > GET CAUGHT IN THE ACT. If you saw a guy speeding, > driving recklessly, > > and he > > was pulled over WHILE he was commiting the act, > this would protect others > > from his reckless actions. While cheating doesnt > measure up in > > importance, > > still there is great satisfaction in knowing that > the cheater got caught > > when he committed the crime, not a week later. So > what if he thinks he > > got > > away with it. Do you think being banned a week > later will deter him from > > cheating more than if it happens on his first > experiance? Which would > > deter > > you more, getting caught the 1st time, every time, > or being able to play > > with your cheats a week or 2 before you get > caught? Seems the latter > > would > > actually promote the idea "I can have fun for a > week or 2 before that > > stupid > > VAC program gets me, its so lame!" Cheats arent > detected when they first > > come out anyway, so as to the feedback to the > cheat coders, if its a week > > after the cheat comes out (and that would be very > quick, if VAC bans > > as soon > > as it learns of, codes for, updates for, or > detects..still takes some > > time, > > reactive right?) or 2 weeks, if we "delay ban" I > think the coders will > > get > > about the same feedback. > > Now, as to the cost of coding vs opensource, as > we all know in many > > (not > > all) cases when a company is producing a high > level, well coded, well > > tested > > software with many coders, continuas updates, etc, > they would like to get > > paid, because thier product has high expectations > to work, and they > > have a > > business and reputation that depends on it. Not to > say some free programs > > aren't fantastic and work as well, but percentage > wise, and when dealing > > with something we deem "very important", usually > professionally coded > > programs perform better. So if someone developed > such a program, wouldn't > > leagues, clans, communities that are serious about > stopping cheaters > > buy it, > > as long as it wasn't too extravagantly priced? I > would! If it worked. > > Windows has security updates, but don't millions > buy firewall, spam > > protection, spyware programs, virus detection, > even though there are free > > versions of these? > > Sorry for the long post again, but I really hate > cheating, and I hate > > thinking people cheat. I hate seeing people that > are skilled called > > cheaters, and I hate seeing people FLAUNTING their > cheats in some servers > > (speed hacks and spinning aimbots, ones that are > no-brainers, but still > > don't get caught WHILE THEIR BEING ARROGANT > CHEATING ASSHOLES!). > > 'nuff said > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or > view the list archives, > > please visit: > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view > the list archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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