I don't think you even read my past two emails.

Are you saying there is something wrong with using the console to 
"choose" a "specific" server?

Do this for me. Load Left4Dead, open your console and type 
"openserverbrowser". Hit enter.

Click on either "Internet" or "Custom". Voila, a veritable shitton of 
servers for your gaming pleasure.

Do you mean there should be a link, in the main menu, to open the server 
browser? Simple, add the relative command line option to Steam/Shortcut.

As for your second point, I still don't understand what you are trying 
to say.

If you want to play on a server, with friends only, you can either;

1) Make a steam group for you and your friends, set the server GroupID 
and it will be limited to that group, or;
2) Create a lobby via the menu, set it to "Friends Only" and invite your 
friends.

The current system is easy enough to use. I don't understand what your 
emails or your point is? Are you talking about this from a server 
operator or a client point of view?

_______________________________________________________

Shane Arnold            -       [email protected]

"For want of a nail, the horseshoe was lost. For want of a horseshoe, the horse 
was lost. For want of a horse, the messenger was lost. For want of a messenger, 
the message was not delivered. For want of an undelivered message the war was 
lost."



Jonah Hirsch wrote:
> I'm not sure how I can be more clear.
>
> Before this update, if you wanted to use a specific server, you would use a
> search key/ms_force_dedicated_server
> Before this update, if you had a group of friends you would make a lobby and
> invite everyone to it.
>
> Did this update improve on either of those methods? Or is it only good for
> people who want to join a game by themselves?
>
> On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 10:05 PM, Shane Arnold <[email protected]>wrote:
>
>   
>> How do you mean "specific servers"? openserverbrowserr in console will
>> open the classic server browser that is included in most (all?) VALVe
>> games. If you mean a specific server inside a Steam Group, this is set
>> by a group ID in the server config and found through the Steam Group
>> Servers.
>>
>> Making a lobby and only inviting friends is already included in
>> Left4Dead by way of Lobby creation and setting it to "Friends Only".
>>
>> I hope this helps.
>>
>> _______________________________________________________
>>
>> Shane Arnold            -       [email protected]
>>
>> "For want of a nail, the horseshoe was lost. For want of a horseshoe, the
>> horse was lost. For want of a horse, the messenger was lost. For want of a
>> messenger, the message was not delivered. For want of an undelivered message
>> the war was lost."
>>
>>
>>
>> Jonah Hirsch wrote:
>>     
>>> I'm asking this:
>>>
>>> What advantage, if any, does the lobby browser give to these groups of
>>> people:
>>>
>>> -People looking for specific servers
>>> -People who have friends with whom to make a lobby
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 9:27 PM, Shane Arnold <[email protected]
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>>>>  > I have yet to find one, so can someone let me kow what the advantage
>>>> of the new system is for people looking for specefic servers
>>>>
>>>> openserverbrowser, or ms_force_dedicated_server when starting a lobby.
>>>> Left4Dead matchmaking is based on Steam Groups.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>> people with friends to make a lobby with?
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>> You mean creating a lobby and making it friends only?
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________________
>>>>
>>>> Shane Arnold            -       [email protected]
>>>>
>>>> "For want of a nail, the horseshoe was lost. For want of a horseshoe,
>>>>         
>> the
>>     
>>>> horse was lost. For want of a horse, the messenger was lost. For want of
>>>>         
>> a
>>     
>>>> messenger, the message was not delivered. For want of an undelivered
>>>>         
>> message
>>     
>>>> the war was lost."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jonah Hirsch wrote:
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>> I have yet to find one, so can someone let me kow what the advantage
>>>>> of the new system is for people looking for specefic servers or people
>>>>> with friends to make a lobby with?
>>>>>
>>>>> On 7/16/09, Shane Arnold <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>>>> Groovy update. Cheers for the news Jason.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________________
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Shane Arnold         -       [email protected]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "For want of a nail, the horseshoe was lost. For want of a horseshoe,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             
>>>> the
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>>> horse was lost. For want of a horse, the messenger was lost. For want
>>>>>>             
>> of
>>     
>>>> a
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>>> messenger, the message was not delivered. For want of an undelivered
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             
>>>> message
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>>> the war was lost."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jason Ruymen wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             
>>>>>>> Left 4 Dead has been updated to include a lobby browser.  This is an
>>>>>>> optional update.  The lobby browser (under Play Online) will show you
>>>>>>>               
>> a
>>     
>>>>>>> list of optimal games available for you to join.  The browser pares
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>               
>>>> down
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>>>> the thousands of lobbies and games currently being played to show you
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>               
>>>> the
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>>>> best list of  games available to you.  This list includes official
>>>>>>>               
>> and
>>     
>>>>>>> add-on campaigns, including add-on campaigns you have not yet
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>               
>>>> installed,
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>>>> making it a great way to discover them.   You can filter by
>>>>>>>               
>> difficulty,
>>     
>>>>>>> official and/or add-on campaigns and by lobbies and/or games in
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>               
>>>> progress.
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>>>> The Play on Steam Group Server screen now displays which Steam group
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>               
>>>> it's
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>>>> searching while updating the list.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> After calling a vote to change difficulty in game it is now correctly
>>>>>>> updated in matchmaking.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Add-on Campaigns:
>>>>>>> - When downloading a new version of an add-on and installing it (by
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>               
>>>> double
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>>>> clicking the .VPK file), it will now correctly overwrite the pervious
>>>>>>> version, even while Left 4 Dead is currently running.
>>>>>>> - Addressed a crash when two mission files with the same name are
>>>>>>> installed.
>>>>>>> - Steam Group Servers now will now correctly offer download links
>>>>>>>               
>> when
>>     
>>>>>>> running add-on campaigns.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Server:
>>>>>>> - The server will now warn if the public or private tags exceed their
>>>>>>> limits.  Public tags are limited to 63 characters.  Private tags used
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>               
>>>> for
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>>>> matchmaking are now limited to 1024 characters.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> SDK:
>>>>>>> - The VPK tool can now handle campaigns larger than 500MB.
>>>>>>> - You can now drop an add-on a VPK file onto the VPK tool to have it
>>>>>>> extract it for you.
>>>>>>> - Detail.vbsp and lights.rad have been added to the distribution.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Note that the Linux Steam objects have been renamed.  This shouldn't
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>               
>>>> cause
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>>>> any issues.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jason
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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