Sorry, I should have worded that better. I don't think *many people* wanted
the features it supplies.

On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 1:45 AM, Jonah Hirsch <[email protected]> wrote:

> I just want to know what the Lobby Browser really accomplished. I don't
> think anybody wanted what it does.
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 11:45 PM, Ronny Schedel <[email protected]>wrote:
>
>>
>> That is the old behaviour. He don't want to open the console or the server
>> browser. He want's to know what are the improvements of the last update
>> and
>> how can he use it. Again: he don't want to open the console or the server
>> browser.
>>
>>
>> >I don't think you even read my past two emails.
>> >
>> > Are you saying there is something wrong with using the console to
>> > "choose" a "specific" server?
>> >
>> > Do this for me. Load Left4Dead, open your console and type
>> > "openserverbrowser". Hit enter.
>> >
>> > Click on either "Internet" or "Custom". Voila, a veritable shitton of
>> > servers for your gaming pleasure.
>> >
>> > Do you mean there should be a link, in the main menu, to open the server
>> > browser? Simple, add the relative command line option to Steam/Shortcut.
>> >
>> > As for your second point, I still don't understand what you are trying
>> > to say.
>> >
>> > If you want to play on a server, with friends only, you can either;
>> >
>> > 1) Make a steam group for you and your friends, set the server GroupID
>> > and it will be limited to that group, or;
>> > 2) Create a lobby via the menu, set it to "Friends Only" and invite your
>> > friends.
>> >
>> > The current system is easy enough to use. I don't understand what your
>> > emails or your point is? Are you talking about this from a server
>> > operator or a client point of view?
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________________
>> >
>> > Shane Arnold - [email protected]
>> >
>> > "For want of a nail, the horseshoe was lost. For want of a horseshoe,
>> the
>> > horse was lost. For want of a horse, the messenger was lost. For want of
>> a
>> > messenger, the message was not delivered. For want of an undelivered
>> > message the war was lost."
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Jonah Hirsch wrote:
>> >> I'm not sure how I can be more clear.
>> >>
>> >> Before this update, if you wanted to use a specific server, you would
>> use
>> >> a
>> >> search key/ms_force_dedicated_server
>> >> Before this update, if you had a group of friends you would make a
>> lobby
>> >> and
>> >> invite everyone to it.
>> >>
>> >> Did this update improve on either of those methods? Or is it only good
>> >> for
>> >> people who want to join a game by themselves?
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 10:05 PM, Shane Arnold
>> >> <[email protected]>wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> How do you mean "specific servers"? openserverbrowserr in console will
>> >>> open the classic server browser that is included in most (all?) VALVe
>> >>> games. If you mean a specific server inside a Steam Group, this is set
>> >>> by a group ID in the server config and found through the Steam Group
>> >>> Servers.
>> >>>
>> >>> Making a lobby and only inviting friends is already included in
>> >>> Left4Dead by way of Lobby creation and setting it to "Friends Only".
>> >>>
>> >>> I hope this helps.
>> >>>
>> >>> _______________________________________________________
>> >>>
>> >>> Shane Arnold            -       [email protected]
>> >>>
>> >>> "For want of a nail, the horseshoe was lost. For want of a horseshoe,
>> >>> the
>> >>> horse was lost. For want of a horse, the messenger was lost. For want
>> of
>> >>> a
>> >>> messenger, the message was not delivered. For want of an undelivered
>> >>> message
>> >>> the war was lost."
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Jonah Hirsch wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> I'm asking this:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> What advantage, if any, does the lobby browser give to these groups
>> of
>> >>>> people:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> -People looking for specific servers
>> >>>> -People who have friends with whom to make a lobby
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 9:27 PM, Shane Arnold <
>> [email protected]
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>  > I have yet to find one, so can someone let me kow what the
>> >>>>> advantage
>> >>>>> of the new system is for people looking for specefic servers
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> openserverbrowser, or ms_force_dedicated_server when starting a
>> lobby.
>> >>>>> Left4Dead matchmaking is based on Steam Groups.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> people with friends to make a lobby with?
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>> You mean creating a lobby and making it friends only?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> _______________________________________________________
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Shane Arnold            -       [email protected]
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> "For want of a nail, the horseshoe was lost. For want of a
>> horseshoe,
>> >>>>>
>> >>> the
>> >>>
>> >>>>> horse was lost. For want of a horse, the messenger was lost. For
>> want
>> >>>>> of
>> >>>>>
>> >>> a
>> >>>
>> >>>>> messenger, the message was not delivered. For want of an undelivered
>> >>>>>
>> >>> message
>> >>>
>> >>>>> the war was lost."
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Jonah Hirsch wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> I have yet to find one, so can someone let me kow what the
>> advantage
>> >>>>>> of the new system is for people looking for specefic servers or
>> >>>>>> people
>> >>>>>> with friends to make a lobby with?
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On 7/16/09, Shane Arnold <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Groovy update. Cheers for the news Jason.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________________
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Shane Arnold         -       [email protected]
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> "For want of a nail, the horseshoe was lost. For want of a
>> >>>>>>> horseshoe,
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>> the
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>> horse was lost. For want of a horse, the messenger was lost. For
>> >>>>>>> want
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>> of
>> >>>
>> >>>>> a
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>> messenger, the message was not delivered. For want of an
>> undelivered
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>> message
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>> the war was lost."
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Jason Ruymen wrote:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Left 4 Dead has been updated to include a lobby browser.  This is
>> >>>>>>>> an
>> >>>>>>>> optional update.  The lobby browser (under Play Online) will show
>> >>>>>>>> you
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> a
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>> list of optimal games available for you to join.  The browser
>> pares
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>> down
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> the thousands of lobbies and games currently being played to show
>> >>>>>>>> you
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>> the
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> best list of  games available to you.  This list includes
>> official
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> and
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>> add-on campaigns, including add-on campaigns you have not yet
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>> installed,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> making it a great way to discover them.   You can filter by
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> difficulty,
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>> official and/or add-on campaigns and by lobbies and/or games in
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>> progress.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> The Play on Steam Group Server screen now displays which Steam
>> >>>>>>>> group
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>> it's
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> searching while updating the list.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> After calling a vote to change difficulty in game it is now
>> >>>>>>>> correctly
>> >>>>>>>> updated in matchmaking.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Add-on Campaigns:
>> >>>>>>>> - When downloading a new version of an add-on and installing it
>> (by
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>> double
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> clicking the .VPK file), it will now correctly overwrite the
>> >>>>>>>> pervious
>> >>>>>>>> version, even while Left 4 Dead is currently running.
>> >>>>>>>> - Addressed a crash when two mission files with the same name are
>> >>>>>>>> installed.
>> >>>>>>>> - Steam Group Servers now will now correctly offer download links
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> when
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>> running add-on campaigns.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Server:
>> >>>>>>>> - The server will now warn if the public or private tags exceed
>> >>>>>>>> their
>> >>>>>>>> limits.  Public tags are limited to 63 characters.  Private tags
>> >>>>>>>> used
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>> for
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> matchmaking are now limited to 1024 characters.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> SDK:
>> >>>>>>>> - The VPK tool can now handle campaigns larger than 500MB.
>> >>>>>>>> - You can now drop an add-on a VPK file onto the VPK tool to have
>> >>>>>>>> it
>> >>>>>>>> extract it for you.
>> >>>>>>>> - Detail.vbsp and lights.rad have been added to the distribution.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Note that the Linux Steam objects have been renamed.  This
>> >>>>>>>> shouldn't
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>> cause
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> any issues.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Jason
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
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