Thats true ;) Best example: SAP =D
Oliver Salzburg schrieb: > Well, some people just need 10 years to get their shit right... > > Evaldas Žilinskas wrote: > >> Oh… Show me other company that still supports 10 year old games like >> Half-Life, by providing community integration, Russian walk prevention and >> exploit fixing updates? Maybe EA :-)? These things cost money and they are >> not responsible because of some of dumb players, trying to use found game >> exploits as a cheat or as a way to hack something. They do their best and >> I’m >> sure about that. More customers you have, more exploits and bugs will be >> found. And… making a dialogue with everyone – it’s impossible. I own a >> company with only a few thousand customers and even then it’s hard to >> maintain everyone. How many customers VALVe has? >> >> players, >> server admins, >> source engine owners, >> third party mod developers, >> cybercafé owners, >> content resellers, >> steam store sellers… >> >> Hey Alfred, I’ve found a bug, answer me! Believe me – NOT so easy! >> >> >> Evaldas, >> GameConnect, Lithuania >> www.gameconnect.lt >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Stefan Popp" <[email protected]> >> To: "Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list" >> <[email protected]> >> Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 10:37 PM >> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Valve Source Engine Console Message Format String >> Vulnerability >> >> >> >> >>> Wheres the point? >>> >>> Its their product, and they have to support the product. If i code any >>> application and i wait 4 weeks (or more :P) until i fix anything for my >>> customers, i can go directly to die. >>> I never said valve didnt support their products, but the point is, how >>> they do that. And the royal way of support is fast fixing of bugs, and >>> if providing sdk's, updating the materials around. And currently i think >>> Valve makes bad support. Maybe, they kicked some programmers or >>> somethin? But as customer i didnt care about their resources, i only >>> care about theire reaction times if i got problems ;) or? >>> >>> Saint K. schrieb: >>> >>> >>>> Imo VALVe is still the only one who cares and interacts so much with >>>> their community. Yes they have their flaws, and they can be ugly at >>>> times, but hey, what other dev mails you straight away when you report a >>>> bug to resolve it? So far this only happends to me with VALVe. From other >>>> devs u should thank god on your knees to ever get any response at all. >>>> >>>> The games are worth their money, and the suport on their games is >>>> insanely long. >>>> >>>> VALVe still has and will continue to have my support. >>>> >>>> Saint K. >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [email protected] >>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Stefan >>>> Popp >>>> Sent: dinsdag 18 augustus 2009 20:51 >>>> To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Valve Source Engine Console Message Format >>>> String Vulnerability >>>> >>>> The wish is currently present ;) >>>> >>>> Due a lot of stuff valve didnt managed the right way ;) >>>> 1. bad code and many ways to crash servers from client side >>>> 2. changing engine stuff without telling plugin developer about changes >>>> or any new sdk's >>>> 3. no statements about this and a lot of other points ;) >>>> >>>> there are a lot of reasons why i wish to get my money back, but i still >>>> hope that valve goes back to their roots and care about theire community >>>> ;) >>>> >>>> Best regards, >>>> Stefan Popp >>>> >>>> Adam Nowacki schrieb: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> You'd wish you never bought any Valve games the day this happens. >>>>> >>>>> Stefan Popp wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Sorry, but this must be corrected ;) >>>>>> >>>>>> -"Valve should start coding c++ with steams ;)" >>>>>> +"Valve should start coding c++ with streams ;)" >>>>>> >>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>> Stefan Popp >>>>>> >>>>>> Stefan Popp schrieb: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Well, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Valve should start coding c++ with steams ;) >>>>>>> Who works with printfs today? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I hope Valve will fix the whole source to prevent overflows. >>>>>>> C++ is you friend, not old C stuff... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>>> Stefan Popp >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Claudio Beretta schrieb: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks, anyone knows if a workaround is available? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> BTW: aren't "security researchers" supposed to contact the developers >>>>>>>> before >>>>>>>> releasing 0-day exploits?This is the 2nd 0-day exploy from aluigi in >>>>>>>> a few >>>>>>>> weeks -.- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 6:44 PM, Morgan Humes <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> A friend forwarded me this info regarding a vulnerability. I am >>>>>>>>> unable to >>>>>>>>> test this at the moment, but it does look like it is possible. >>>>>>>>> Thought I >>>>>>>>> would get this out to the community before others start using this >>>>>>>>> to cause >>>>>>>>> havoc. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.vupen.com/english/advisories/2009/2296 >>>>>>>>> http://aluigi.altervista.org/adv/sourcefs-adv.txt >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Morgan Humes >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>>>> archives, >>>>>>>>> please visit: >>>>>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>>> archives, please visit: >>>>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>>>>>> please visit: >>>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>>>>> please visit: >>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>>>> please visit: >>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>>> please visit: >>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >>>> >>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>>> Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.58/2309 - Release Date: >>>> 08/18/09 06:03:00 >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>>> please visit: >>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>> please visit: >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
