I wouldn’t call COD2 a game without bugs. :) When did we see last update? Oh yes… 3 years ago. :-) And talking about Microsoft… Their support is quite interesting. You call, they tell you how to use your control panel, but when we go back to the part, when bugs and exploits must be fixed… They decide directly from air witch exploits must be fixed and witch will remain for ever to deal with. We have Windows Vista, everyone is crying, people are dying… and what? We will get new Windows product, witch will cost money. Vista will remain slow working with its bugs and other things people paid money for. Everyone has a politics to do their commercial. I don’t blame Valve…
Evaldas, GameConnect, Lithuania www.gameconnect.lt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Popp" <[email protected]> To: "Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 12:59 AM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Valve Source Engine Console Message Format String Vulnerability > Thats true ;) > > Best example: SAP =D > > Oliver Salzburg schrieb: >> Well, some people just need 10 years to get their shit right... >> >> Evaldas Žilinskas wrote: >> >>> Oh… Show me other company that still supports 10 year old games like >>> Half-Life, by providing community integration, Russian walk prevention >>> and >>> exploit fixing updates? Maybe EA :-)? These things cost money and they >>> are >>> not responsible because of some of dumb players, trying to use found >>> game >>> exploits as a cheat or as a way to hack something. They do their best >>> and I’m >>> sure about that. More customers you have, more exploits and bugs will be >>> found. And… making a dialogue with everyone – it’s impossible. I own a >>> company with only a few thousand customers and even then it’s hard to >>> maintain everyone. How many customers VALVe has? >>> >>> players, >>> server admins, >>> source engine owners, >>> third party mod developers, >>> cybercafé owners, >>> content resellers, >>> steam store sellers… >>> >>> Hey Alfred, I’ve found a bug, answer me! Believe me – NOT so easy! >>> >>> >>> Evaldas, >>> GameConnect, Lithuania >>> www.gameconnect.lt >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Stefan Popp" <[email protected]> >>> To: "Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list" >>> <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 10:37 PM >>> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Valve Source Engine Console Message Format >>> String >>> Vulnerability >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> Wheres the point? >>>> >>>> Its their product, and they have to support the product. If i code any >>>> application and i wait 4 weeks (or more :P) until i fix anything for my >>>> customers, i can go directly to die. >>>> I never said valve didnt support their products, but the point is, how >>>> they do that. And the royal way of support is fast fixing of bugs, and >>>> if providing sdk's, updating the materials around. And currently i >>>> think >>>> Valve makes bad support. Maybe, they kicked some programmers or >>>> somethin? But as customer i didnt care about their resources, i only >>>> care about theire reaction times if i got problems ;) or? >>>> >>>> Saint K. schrieb: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Imo VALVe is still the only one who cares and interacts so much with >>>>> their community. Yes they have their flaws, and they can be ugly at >>>>> times, but hey, what other dev mails you straight away when you report >>>>> a >>>>> bug to resolve it? So far this only happends to me with VALVe. From >>>>> other >>>>> devs u should thank god on your knees to ever get any response at all. >>>>> >>>>> The games are worth their money, and the suport on their games is >>>>> insanely long. >>>>> >>>>> VALVe still has and will continue to have my support. >>>>> >>>>> Saint K. >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Stefan >>>>> Popp >>>>> Sent: dinsdag 18 augustus 2009 20:51 >>>>> To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list >>>>> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Valve Source Engine Console Message Format >>>>> String Vulnerability >>>>> >>>>> The wish is currently present ;) >>>>> >>>>> Due a lot of stuff valve didnt managed the right way ;) >>>>> 1. bad code and many ways to crash servers from client side >>>>> 2. changing engine stuff without telling plugin developer about >>>>> changes >>>>> or any new sdk's >>>>> 3. no statements about this and a lot of other points ;) >>>>> >>>>> there are a lot of reasons why i wish to get my money back, but i >>>>> still >>>>> hope that valve goes back to their roots and care about theire >>>>> community >>>>> ;) >>>>> >>>>> Best regards, >>>>> Stefan Popp >>>>> >>>>> Adam Nowacki schrieb: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> You'd wish you never bought any Valve games the day this happens. >>>>>> >>>>>> Stefan Popp wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Sorry, but this must be corrected ;) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -"Valve should start coding c++ with steams ;)" >>>>>>> +"Valve should start coding c++ with streams ;)" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>>> Stefan Popp >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Stefan Popp schrieb: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Well, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Valve should start coding c++ with steams ;) >>>>>>>> Who works with printfs today? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I hope Valve will fix the whole source to prevent overflows. >>>>>>>> C++ is you friend, not old C stuff... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>>>> Stefan Popp >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Claudio Beretta schrieb: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks, anyone knows if a workaround is available? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> BTW: aren't "security researchers" supposed to contact the >>>>>>>>> developers >>>>>>>>> before >>>>>>>>> releasing 0-day exploits?This is the 2nd 0-day exploy from aluigi >>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>> a few >>>>>>>>> weeks -.- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 6:44 PM, Morgan Humes >>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> A friend forwarded me this info regarding a vulnerability. I am >>>>>>>>>> unable to >>>>>>>>>> test this at the moment, but it does look like it is possible. >>>>>>>>>> Thought I >>>>>>>>>> would get this out to the community before others start using >>>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>>> to cause >>>>>>>>>> havoc. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://www.vupen.com/english/advisories/2009/2296 >>>>>>>>>> http://aluigi.altervista.org/adv/sourcefs-adv.txt >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Morgan Humes >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>>>>> archives, >>>>>>>>>> please visit: >>>>>>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>>>> archives, please visit: >>>>>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>>> archives, >>>>>>>> please visit: >>>>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>> archives, >>>>>>> please visit: >>>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>> archives, >>>>>> please visit: >>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>>>> please visit: >>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >>>>> >>>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>>>> Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.58/2309 - Release Date: >>>>> 08/18/09 06:03:00 >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>>>> please visit: >>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>>> please visit: >>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>> please visit: >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >> > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
