I prefer the mailinglist, tons of reasons why i would want that more then a forum (ease of use being one of them)
But if we *have* to move to the forums, at least make it so that we have our own section only for server maintainers, say for instance only people with a registered server with good standings is allowed to post there. Granted it might not be bullit proof but it might keep at least 90% of the non-relevant forum people out there. And ofcourse, assuming this has push alerts (with full reply for ease of use?) On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 08:03:08 +0300, ics <[email protected]> wrote: > I prefer mailing list. Just because it's easy to use while reading > regular e-mail and you can just pick a message to read easily, delete > immediately the rest that you don't need. On forum, you have to browse > around on many threads and it's very time consuming. I also hate the > SPUF style where you just get post to your mail that happened after your > reply and the messages after that are ignored untill i visit the forum > again. Forums might be clean first but full of dirt later. Too many > immature people there, way less here on this list. > > People go crazy on forums whenever someone from Valve replies, they want > to contribute. I'ts a mess there. Benefit on forums is the the easier > search and messages browsing if you prefer reading all once a week and > have time to go through all the messages. The count of messages that > should not be posted would rise high too. It would be harder to find the > thing you are looking for. It's good for historians. How many people > browse old messages anyway and why? To check something or find answer? > Isn't wiki for the answers better or some sort of section "how to run a > server for dummies". > > The recent change where there's as much as ~10 people been around from > Valve within a month is something i've never seen before. I thought the > list would live long and the latter closing notice would have been > proved wrong but i guess there is pressure to close the list down. This > is way more convinient than forums. Please do not close this down. > > -ics > > > 25.10.2011 7:28, Andrew kirjoitti: >> What about adding some kind of easy searching to the mailing list >> archives? That seems to be only commonly brought up minus to keeping >> this format. >> >> I am able to access them (the archives) with my login, but the >> standard listings by month and downloadable gzip'ed archives makes >> searching nontrivial. Improving that would be a big + >> >> On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 11:24 PM, m33crob<[email protected]> wrote: >>> I too would prefer to keep the mailing list. If a forum materializes out >>> of >>> this conversation, I would be interested in becoming a moderator. I'm >>> already super active in the Steam Forums and you guys may or may not >>> have >>> noticed that I update the Steam Forums server sections almost everyday. >>> >>> On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 9:15 PM, Jesse Molina<[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I prefer mailing lists, which is why I am here. Discussion and replies >>>> are >>>> below: >>>> >>>> I prefer mailing lists because there is a small technical barrier to >>>> entry. >>>> Chances are that you had to use a search engine to find it, which >>>> means you >>>> probably already tried to find what you were looking for via that >>>> search >>>> engine and failed. Many noobs don't even know what a mailman list is, >>>> and >>>> that's good. I want to talk to other people who can actually help me. >>>> This >>>> mailing list is not primarily for a social experience. For most >>>> forums, a >>>> significant amount of code is dedicated to smileys, avatars, >>>> signatures, >>>> friends/foes, etc, because they need the social experience, because >>>> they are >>>> ad-revenue driven. The amount of whitespace on web forums, compared to >>>> email, is terrible. >>>> >>>> Here's a thought: The quality of the discussion is primarily impacted >>>> by >>>> how those with authoritative knowledge (Valve employees and pros) >>>> engage in >>>> the discussion. If Valve employees were more inclined to participate >>>> in >>>> discussion on a web forum, I'd go web forum. I would not cry too hard >>>> if >>>> this one mailing list went away. It's just games. >>>> >>>> About the archives: Why are they password protected, and why has my >>>> password never ever worked? From day one, the password that came in my >>>> welcome email didn't work and I never tried again. I have never ever >>>> searched the archives because I can't. >>>> >>>> It is nice to have a single point of discussion for issues, as opposed >>>> to >>>> many different sites and applications. As an example, I am an aquarium >>>> hobbyist, and I often visit five different web forums because each has >>>> some >>>> specialty, or the community is fractured up. This is annoying. This >>>> is >>>> also why I don't check forums.srcds.com but once in a great while. >>>> >>>> I've never seen a duel-pane message board reader that worked well. I >>>> see >>>> browsing message boards as messy business. I use mutt and Seamonkey as >>>> my >>>> mail clients, depending on where I'm at. >>>> >>>> I use my android phone to check email. Checking a web forum would be >>>> significantly more difficult. I would not do it, at all. I check >>>> email, >>>> rss, and podcasts with my phone. Web forums are iPhone/Android >>>> unfriendly. >>>> My Android client is k9mail. >>>> >>>> Some people brought up the issue of email spam because they fear giving >>>> out >>>> the mail address. Use a spam filter. I don't get spam because I have >>>> my >>>> own server with Spamassassin running. If you are using a free mail >>>> provider, you get what you pay for (adverts). Business and >>>> professionals >>>> use email. I wish I had more pleasant advice to give out, but that's >>>> the >>>> truth. >>>> >>>> What about a forum that sends out email update announcements? I don't >>>> use >>>> those myself, with a very few exceptions of where I really must. This >>>> is >>>> mostly because most of those forums have a very low signal to noise >>>> ratio. >>>> I only click on a very few threads. In other words, my participation >>>> level >>>> is lower with web forums. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Replies: >>>> >>>> >>>> Kigen wrote: >>>>> Honestly, I don't like getting my inbox spammed with these messages. >>>> That is what mail rules/filters are for. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> DarthNinja wrote: >>>>> I don't like the idea of forums, because it's a passive stream of >>>>> data. >>>>> People have to visit to check up on topics. >>>>> People are just a lot less likely to reply to things in a forum >>>> environment. >>>> >>>> I agree. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> msleeper wrote: >>>>> Valve, I'm sorry, but your forum population is about as dumb as >>>>> facepunch, and I hope you realize it. >>>> Harsh, but true. >>>> >>>> This is why I signed up for the mailing list. I am pro network >>>> engineer/unix sysadmin, but I didn't know anything about srcds servers >>>> a >>>> year ago. I needed a place where I could come to for technical help on >>>> server administration related tasks. I did not come to discuss in-game >>>> content issues at all -- such issues are good for the main forums. >>>> >>>> That being said, let's face it: More than half of the people on this >>>> (linux) mailing list doesn't know what a pipe, |, does on the bash >>>> command >>>> line. Their preferred editor is the pico clone nano. Just gotta put >>>> up >>>> with it... or maybe even help a noob once in awhile. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Steffen Schmolinske wrote: >>>>> I'd like to have a forum just for the sake of proper archives& search >>>>> functions. >>>> Valve is, right now, actively stopping you from having this. Ask them >>>> why >>>> they are doing that. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Ryan Stecker wrote: >>>>> I would love a forum. I don't think the mailing list provides any >>>>> decent >>>>> method of searching, >>>> Again, Valve is stopping you from having this. Ask them why they are >>>> doing >>>> that. Why are they taking away from you something that you would >>>> otherwise >>>> have? They have deliberately password protected the archives and >>>> prevent >>>> search engines from searching them. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> msleeper wrote: >>>>> the main reason the list fails >>>>> (and moving SPUF would only make it worse) is that most people post >>>>> crap nobody needs to hear or wants to read and isn't useful. >>>>> ... >>>>> And guess what - we don't care about or need to hear about you telling >>>>> us that. Shut up, keep your stupid opinions to yourselves, and maybe >>>>> there wouldn't be a "problem" in the first place. >>>> Jesse Porter wrote: >>>>> The >>>>> farther away from server maintenance and updates the discussion get, >>>>> the >>>>> less interest I have (recent discussion on classes, etc). >>>> This is just the classic pros vs noobs thing. Reference ESR's Asking >>>> Smart >>>> Questions, which most have not read, or even heard of. >>>> >>>> Because this mailing list involves video games, it has a youth and >>>> stupid-noob factor -- not to be mistaken as the same issue. I don't >>>> think >>>> that can be helped. 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