> believe you missed the part where months ago dan helped clarify what Fletcher obviously meant
You are the one that missed the point. I don't know how many times this has to be repeated: Those bans were NOT meant to ban servers for increasing their maximum slots through a Valve provided setting. They were likely in response to the rash of servers that started hiding tags. They reversed the bans because anyone that changed sv_visiblemaxplayers after reboot would be banned for using a setting provided by Valve. The reason why Fletcher even mentioned changing max slots was that some people here were incorrectly speculating that was why they were banned. > - Quickplay is supposed to be as vanilla as possible. Again this is flat out wrong. I don't know how many times I have to say this, but there are pay-to-win servers on quickplay. >From the quickplay FAQ itself: "Are there any server side mods that will disqualify me from Quickplay since some do not change sv_tags? No, we are not automatically disqualifying servers for server side mods. If the mods results in a better or worse player experience, that will be reflected in the back-end server score." Valve realizes that 3rd party servers provide more value to players than their own, otherwise they would have made quickplay only for Valve servers. > People choosing to join Quickplay aren't expecting your mods, your advertisements, your anything. They're expecting a vanilla experience When I bought TF2, I expected mods just like I expected them on Counter-Strike, Half-Life, Gmod. Now that there is a quickplay feature, I still don't see where in the game it says that a server can't have any mods on it. Quickplay is Valve's attempt to keep new players by providing them what they think they want by the rigorous scientific process of blocking whatever people on SPUF complain about. There is a reason why your own "vanilla" servers died out on an equal playing field. The reason is because your players weren't happier. On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 10:21 AM, eueln <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Apr 13, 2013, at 7:00 AM, Essay Tew Phaun <[email protected]> wrote: > > > You won't get a straight answer to your first question because it's > > impossible to have one. Instead, he'll wait a few weeks and type up a few > > paragraphs that don't even address that very relevant question. "If it > was > > breaking the rules, why were the servers re-listed?" > > I believe you missed the part where months ago dan helped clarify what > Fletcher obviously meant, in that server owners using that particular > plugin were using a "perverse optimal strategy," and that by reading > between the lines, that those admins were perverse in their usage of said > plugins. The servers were re-listed because what they had previously > established was that they'd be "straying into a gray area" to remove those > servers from the list. > > Further, the entirety of his well-thought-out message was ignored as him > just being "ignorant." Here, let me repeat his points in a condensed manner > (sorry dan if I get some of these wrong) so it hopefully won't be ignored > again: > > - Quickplay is supposed to be as vanilla as possible. People choosing to > join Quickplay aren't expecting your mods, your advertisements, your > anything. They're expecting a vanilla experience (hence the limit on tags). > Stop making Quickplay anything other than that, and stop believing you're > entitled to Quickplay traffic if you're not providing a vanilla experience. > > - Take your Quickplay servers down if you "need" to put advertisements on > them. There are an abundance of genuinely vanilla servers that will happily > receive that traffic and lead to happier players. You shouldn't be running > Quickplay servers if you can't afford them. > > - You can do whatever you want with your non-Quickplay servers. Put ads on > them. Mod them all you want. People will "vote with their feet." > > > > It's sad because I don't even think he's trolling, he's just that > ignorant. > > We removed the plugins because I personally don't like the idea that we > may > > accidentally have all of our servers de-listed.. > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 3:24 PM, 1nsane <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> How was he correctly de-listed if valve reversed it? It was a bug. > >> > >> The problem was that valve changed it so the tag doesn't get set > >> immediately. Running a plugin like that is fine but you need to monitor > the > >> tags to make sure they get set. > >> No de-listing happened since then and more servers are bringing it back. > >> > >> You just can not rely on the built in function anymore to avoid > de-listing, > >> you NEED to make sure the tags are set immediately and you will be OK. > >> > >> Like valve said, it would be "straying into the grey area" for them to > >> de-list such servers and they re-listed the ones they got last time due > to > >> that bug. > >> > >> > >> On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 3:11 PM, dan <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >>> On 04/04/2013 06:41, Essay Tew Phaun wrote: > >>> > >>>> Now can you finally put that other thread to rest and admit you were > >>>> wrong? > >>>> The servers that didn't have their tags updated were mistakenly > >> delisted. > >>>> I > >>>> don't know how anyone can have a conversation with you if you can't > even > >>>> read and comprehend what Fletcher point blank said. > >>>> > >>> > >>> You were correctly delisted and the plugin you used that caused the > >>> delisting no longer exists on your server. > >>> > >>> if you're still unsure of that, put the plugin back and see what > happens > >>> to your servers. > >>> > >>> As I said, the relevance to this thread is that you squealed like a > stuck > >>> pig when you were taken to task and now you're suggesting they delist > >>> others. > >>> > >>> If you want good features stop abusing them. You cannot moan about > Valve > >>> removing features that are abused when you abused them yourself. > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Dan. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ______________________________**_________________ > >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >>> please visit: > >>> https://list.valvesoftware. > **com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/**hlds_linux< > >> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux> > >>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >> please visit: > >> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
