Although, maybe on systems for competitive games, stats and bans aren't really an issue. On May 19, 2015 7:42 AM, "Weasels Lair" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Regarding RCon, unfortunately it is needed for various add-on stuff like > stay trackers ( such as GameMe.com), ban systems ( SourceBans), etc. > On May 19, 2015 7:38 AM, "Bill" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> While we're at it why even have a password for rcon? Only a small handful >> of players even know how to use rcon. >> >> On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 10:10 AM, N-Gon <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > Again. >> > Only a small handful of people within UGC know about making Sourcemod >> > plugins. >> > Instead of being pessimistic about fixing something why not come up >> with a >> > better solution than the one I have presented? >> > Such as maybe removing the cvar all together because it serves 0 >> purpose as >> > the 0 backstab method is completely broken and 2 backstab method is >> > completely untested AND broken. >> > There is no need to have that cvar set to anything other than 1, so why >> not >> > just remove it. >> > >> > On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 10:01 AM, AnAkkk <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > Removing a cvar flag with a plugin is only 2 lines, some people sell >> > cheat >> > > server plugins that got many more features than that, so it's easy for >> > > anyone to buy one and put it on their server. >> > > With VAC there is at least a chance (even if it's small) that the guy >> is >> > > going to get banned, and there's none if he has access to the server. >> > > >> > > 2015-05-19 14:54 GMT+01:00 N-Gon <[email protected]>: >> > > >> > > > But the amount of players who can readily make something like that >> > within >> > > > UGC is not all that high. >> > > > People thought of me as a messiah for my simple plugin when I had >> only >> > > > learned about programming in SMod 2 days prior. >> > > > >> > > > Making a plugin to continue to cheat is way more steps involved than >> > > simply >> > > > typing an rcon command in console. >> > > > >> > > > Nothing will ever 100% stop cheaters, but it's silly not to even >> try to >> > > > slow them down. >> > > > If we're going to just toss our hands in the air and say it's >> pointless >> > > > because there will always be a workaround then why even bother >> having a >> > > VAC >> > > > system in place. >> > > > >> > > > On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 9:49 AM, Ross Bemrose <[email protected]> >> > > wrote: >> > > > >> > > > > Yes, that was a given. >> > > > > >> > > > > After all, server plugins can remove the cheat flag just as >> readily >> > as >> > > > the >> > > > > notify flag. >> > > > > >> > > > > On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 9:46 AM, AnAkkk <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > > > > >> > > > > > That's pointless, someone could make a a plugin to remove the >> > notify >> > > > > flag. >> > > > > > You should only trust servers that are hosted by leagues where >> no >> > one >> > > > has >> > > > > > the rcon_password or any access to the machine. There are many >> > other >> > > > > cvars >> > > > > > that can be modified the same way and be used to cheat. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > 2015-05-19 14:41 GMT+01:00 Ross Bemrose <[email protected]>: >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Either way, tf_backstab_detection_method should probably be >> > flagged >> > > > as >> > > > > > > Notify so that all players are told when its value changes. >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 9:13 AM, N-Gon < >> [email protected] >> > > >> > > > > wrote: >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Hey, while we're on the subject of exploits I wanted to >> bring >> > > > > something >> > > > > > > up. >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > tf_backstab_detection_method >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Currently that cvar can be changed on the fly with just rcon >> > > > access. >> > > > > > > > It's not Cheat or Notify flagged. >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I've had reports from 3 different UGC Plat players who are >> > highly >> > > > > > > > suspicious of other teams using this on a toggle to allow >> their >> > > > spies >> > > > > > > easy >> > > > > > > > facestabs when they need them. >> > > > > > > > Adding a flag to this command will not harm anyone and it >> will >> > > be a >> > > > > > load >> > > > > > > > off the minds of the Comp players who have no way of proving >> > this >> > > > is >> > > > > > > being >> > > > > > > > done in official matches. >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I made a plugin that, among other things, flagged this thing >> > is a >> > > > > > cheat. >> > > > > > > > It's a nice start but I can't force everyone to use my >> plugin. >> > > But >> > > > if >> > > > > > > Valve >> > > > > > > > were to change this I wouldn't have to :) >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > -Miggy >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 9:42 PM, Bruno Garcia < >> > > > > [email protected] >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > wrote: >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > "Fixed *crash* when getting a malformed KeyValues buffer" >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 10:11 PM, N-Gon < >> > > > [email protected]> >> > > > > > > > wrote: >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Out of curiosity, what exactly did this do? >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 9:00 PM, Kyle Sanderson < >> > > > > > [email protected] >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > wrote: >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Now that this exploit is public knowledge, any idea >> when >> > we >> > > > > will >> > > > > > > see >> > > > > > > > > > > the remaining mainline Source Games updated? >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, >> > > > > > > > > > > Kyle. >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 5:53 PM, Eric Smith < >> > > > > > > [email protected] >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: >> > > > > > > > > > > > We've released an optional update for Team Fortress >> 2. >> > > > > > Dedicated >> > > > > > > > > > servers >> > > > > > > > > > > do not need to download the update but you can if >> you'd >> > > like. >> > > > > The >> > > > > > > > note >> > > > > > > > > > for >> > > > > > > > > > > the update is below. The updated version is 2771145. >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks. >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > -Eric >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > - Fixed crash when getting a malformed KeyValues >> buffer >> > > > > (thanks >> > > > > > > to >> > > > > > > > > > > Nathaniel Theis for the report) >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ >> > > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view >> the >> > > > list >> > > > > > > > > archives, >> > > > > > > > > > > please visit: >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ >> > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view >> the >> > > list >> > > > > > > > archives, >> > > > > > > > > > > please visit: >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ >> > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the >> > list >> > > > > > > archives, >> > > > > > > > > > please visit: >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ >> > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the >> list >> > > > > > archives, >> > > > > > > > > please visit: >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ >> > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >> > > > > archives, >> > > > > > > > please visit: >> > > > > > > > >> > > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > -- >> > > > > > > Ross Bemrose >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ >> > > > > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >> > > > archives, >> > > > > > > please visit: >> > > > > > > >> > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ >> > > > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >> > > archives, >> > > > > > please visit: >> > > > > > >> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > -- >> > > > > Ross Bemrose >> > > > > _______________________________________________ >> > > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >> > archives, >> > > > > please visit: >> > > > > >> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >> > > > > >> > > > _______________________________________________ >> > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >> archives, >> > > > please visit: >> > > > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >> > > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> > > please visit: >> > > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> > please visit: >> > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >> > _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
