--- ts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> joyce ...
>
> you misinterpret what i am saying ...
> you are missing it ...
> are twisting my words ...
> putting YOUR spin on them.
> (why does this seem familiar?)
ts, i did not twist any words in your post. i responded to exactly what you wrote there.
> i am not talking about you accusing
> me of this current problem you have ...
> with the stolen ID and all.
> never implied that.
> i am talking about your tendency for
> paranoia and for imagining the worst.
> i see it even in this last post.
you are calling me paranoid and labelling me... that, ts, is slanderous.
> i have experienced this first hand.
> for the record:
> you DID accuse me of stalking you.
> not now ... not in this incident ...
> that is NOT what i am saying.
> but you DID accuse me in the past.
> you didn't say it to me ...
> but you did say so to others.
> even had them believing you for awhile ...
ts, i did not ever say to any others that you stalked me.
if others say that i did, they are being untruthful... and you should have asked me directly at the time for confirmation rather than listening to gossip
> had them avoiding interacting with me ...
> wondering what kind of an asshole i was ...
> until they got to know me for themselves.
> that took a lot of work on my part.
> i had to find out from them joyce ...
> it is they who told me what you had said ...
> and why they were reluctant to interact with me.
> that is the slander i am speaking of.
> and i don't appreciate it.
> wondering what kind of an asshole i was ...
> until they got to know me for themselves.
> that took a lot of work on my part.
> i had to find out from them joyce ...
> it is they who told me what you had said ...
> and why they were reluctant to interact with me.
> that is the slander i am speaking of.
> and i don't appreciate it.
i did not do that, ts.
> i have also heard you accuse others
> in the same way.
ts, i have not ever once named any individual person as stalking me.
not ever once in all the years i have been online have i done that.
not once, even when people have asked me directly about things, i have not ever once offered any information or speculation about who has done that
your statement is patently false and misleading.
> in fact, i used to believe you too.
> they don't appreciate it either.
>
> and it is THAT paranoia and imagining of
> enemies that i am trying to address here ...
> they don't appreciate it either.
>
> and it is THAT paranoia and imagining of
> enemies that i am trying to address here ...
there is no paranoia in this case... and if there were, ts - who pronounced that this is your job? When you say "...that i am trying to address here ..." - whatever makes you think that this is appropriate for you to do on an email list? Whatever makes you think that i would welcome such input?
This is an email list for geek questions and technical issues, but you seem to be acting now as though it is your role to be an analyst dealing in psychological issues. I ask you to please stop it immediately. Stop the armchair psychoanalyzing immediately... I don't need you to diagnose me with a label of paranoid on an email forum such as this.
You are behaving, in my opinion, highly inappropriately here and i am requesting that you stop immediately with this sort of treatment of me. You are not, in my opinion, welcome to "address" this sort of thing. You are not being helpful, even though you think that you are... and even though i let you know this, you persist in your labeling and trying to get me to see some pattern that you want me to see. Your behavior is unwelcome. That is why i used the word "insensitive." You are trying too hard to push your views onto me, and that is, in my opinion, an example of being insensitive.
... and this forum is not, in my opinion, the place for anyone to address this sort of thing
Why are you taking on the mantle of responsibility for something like that? Why do you push it?
There is no consent from me for you to analyze me. It is inappropriate for you do do so.
Please back off now.
Please respect this space for what it is - HolyGeek - you know, technology and such?
> that i am suggesting you to take a look at.
> wondering if this is part of some larger
> pattern.
> wondering if this is part of some larger
> pattern.
Calling me paranoid is an act of slander, ts
Your suggestion to look at some larger pattern is unwelcome and inappropriate... This is a list for geek and technology questions, not a forum for you to analyze people's faults.
Please, do you understand that? Why do you feel it is your job to improve me?
> i am not the enemy.
ts, you are not behaving like a friend - you are, in my opinion, pushing your analysis onto me when i have already said that it is not helpful. I pointed out that you had invalidated me, and yet you have not stopped, you persist in doing so
>
> you asked what others think.
> now you know.
>
> and i am tired of playing this little game.
> you asked what others think.
> now you know.
>
> and i am tired of playing this little game.
ts - i have never consented to playing. i have said that before. why will you not listen to me?
why do you take on a responsibility that is not yours when i ask you not to?
>
> i'm done.
> i'm done.
Thank you.
>
> -ts-
> the bad guy
> -ts-
> the bad guy
Your attempts at "improving" me have not been appropriate for this forum and have not been appreciated by me. That does not make you "bad" - it just means that i think you have been mistaken. Making mistakes is not "bad" and does not make a person "bad" - it makes a person human.
>
> ~~~
>
> --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Know Mystery
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi ts -
> >
> > --- ts wrote:
> > > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Know Mystery
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Sorry ts, but it was not of use to me.
> > > > It feels pretty insensitive,
> > > > although i know you are trying to be kind and
> helpful.
> > >
> > > ah ...
> > >
> > > well it wasn't intended to be insensitive ...
> > > just offering you some perspective.
> > > an alternate way to look at things.
> > > you did ask. remember?
> >
> > I asked people this:
> >
> > "Maybe people here can find a different
> explanation for what has
> happened besides the two scenarios i came up with?"
> >
> > > i actually thought you might find some of this
> > > to be of use.
> > >
> > > not everyone is the enemy joyce ...
> >
> > i have never said that to be the case...
> >
> >
> > > not everyone is stalking you.
> >
> > i have never said that, either.
> >
> >
> > > i bring this up because ...
> > > you have accused me of being/doing just that in
> the
> > > past ...
> >
> > no ts - i never accused you of stalking me or
> pretending to be me
> or sending mails logged in as using my id...
> >
> >
> > > and we both know that was total bullshit ...
> >
> > ts - i never under any circumstances said that of
> you. i did NOT
> accuse you of stealing my identity or posing as me
> writing emails or
> stalking me.
> >
> > > existing only in your imagination.
> > > well ...
> > > at least i do.
> >
> > it feels as though you are turning this around to
> be about "you" -
> it is not about you... i wasn't thinking of you when
> i wrote the
> post...
> >
> > >
> > > fyi ...
> > > slander is also illegal.
> >
> > These are the facts - i received a suspicious
> email today and wrote
> to this list about it, as i have written here in the
> past about
> strange mails because people here have good heads -
> technical
> knowledge and kind intentions and are generally
> helpful. In my mail
> today i said that "i know you are trying to be kind
> and helpful."
> There is no slander there. I have not accused you of
> anything. I do
> not think that you have done anything wrong. Why are
> you accusing me
> of that?
> >
> > >
> > > please feel free to consider this/me to be
> > > insensitive ...
> > > if that's what you need to do.
> >
> > ts, if you reread your first mail, you might be
> able to see several
> instances where you invalidate my experience of this
> morning by
> saying that it had never happened to you.
> >
> > I said xyz happened to me,,, and you said well,
> xyz had never
> happened to you, and you talked about me being able
> to use it as a
> lesson, an
> >
> > "> perhaps an opportunity to meditate on ...
> > > what is "real" ...
> > > and what is "imaginary" ... "
> >
> > Don't you see how implying that something is
> "imaginary" is a way
> of invalidating a person's experience? Of implying
> that they just
> imagined the whole thing? Do you see how a person
> might not receive
> that perspective from you in a positive way?
> >
> > >
> > > whatever works.
> > >
> > > well ...
> > > not the first time i've been slapped for
> > > trying to help.
> >
> > ts - i gave you credit for trying to be kind and
> helpful. I did not
> slap you and did not patronize you, as it felt when
> you suggested
> that i look at what is imaginary and what is real.
> >
> > > and probably not the last. ;)
> > >
> > > -ts-
> > >
> >
> >
> > all i can say is that nothing in my post today
> implied that you
> were in anyway involved in the suspicious mail and
> that i again
> recognize that you were trying in your own way to be
> helpful and
> kind. You tried and i acknowledged that. I don't
> know what more you
> want me to say.
> >
> > love and peace to all,
> > joyce
>
>
>
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