On 11-10-13 7:49 AM, "Russ White" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >>>>> "Victor" == Victor Kuarsingh <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> writes: >> Victor> These devices (in such operating modes) are however not >> Victor> likely to participate in a home network (as the gateway >> Victor> device or a router) and it's very unlikely to be the >>head of >> Victor> home network. >> >> I STRONGLY DISAGREE. >> >> That's fine. My statement was based on an aggregate set of behaviors >> over millions of endpoints. Corner cases always exist (and perhaps not >> so corner in the future). > >This won't be the "corner case," it will be the "common case," in most >all homes. The electricity providers are seeing to that right now, as >well as the cell phone providers. In a few years, someone is going to >say, "you only have one internet connection? You poor soul, we need to >find some government program to help you." Russ, I agree the mobile network will be used widely in home networks by the residential and business customers (as you noted electricity providers). Although I would suppose those connections will not be using cell phones for connectivity, but more gateway style devices with a 2G/3G/4G connection. Most of these devices tend to be somewhat stationary (I.e. Meters, parking kiosks, etc). Some devices are nomadic but those tend to be end points themselves with built in radios. The corner case I was talking about was the use of a smartphone (generally nomadic device) as a gateway with the expectation that when at home becomes an active part of the home network fabric and exchanges routing information. When the person turns off their phone, leaves the house, etc - the device would then be removed from the network (assuming it attached in the first place). Assuming for now that this will be common case (my iPHone/Android Phone is part of my home network when I show up at home and then disappears when I leave) - I would have some concerns if this was all automatic with absolutely no user intervention or permission. I can imagine a use cases where a bunch of friends show up at a house party and become a mesh network with many attachments to the network (assuming all automatic and happens without user intervention - as one of the previous comments had noted was a possibility). Not sure how that would work - and I would not want to be the guy who's phone was chosen (automatically) to be the gateway for all (my bill may be quite large that month). All that said, I would likely lean toward the notion that smartphone vendors, if they make their devices full gateways for such use, would not just make this fully automatic such that it would happen by accident. A simple "do you want to attach to X" popup/message may be warranted. If so, then the phone can move from "I am a lone gateway with small local network mode" to "I am now a router in a larger network" and augment functions accordingly. The former case, which is very common now, needs to be addressed (and for a while may have not PD). I would not also want to assume that all the smartphone vendors will build amazing gateways for such uses (vendors who always maximize CPU/Memory to make sure the user has all the power they will ever need and never cheap out to squeeze as much profit by lowering COGs). I would at minimum assume that some smart phones will be very smart and may attach to bigger networks (I hope with some type of prompt) and others will be less smart and built to provide bare minimum gateway functionality. Regards, Victor K > >:-) > >Russ > >_______________________________________________ >homenet mailing list >[email protected] >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homenet _______________________________________________ homenet mailing list [email protected] https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homenet
