Actually, I should elaborate quite a bit more.

You do not step inside a flight simulator being able to solve every single 
problem. You do not step into a real airplane being able to solve every single 
problem. There are always going to be unpredictable circumstances.

However...

The flight simulator does exist as a testing tool, yes. But it's also a 
learning tool. It's a tool used for practicing as well. They're good enough 
these days to provide a pilot with enough practice and experience so that when 
they do step inside a commercial airliner they know what to do. Even so, when 
they do become a full pilot, they still have a training period until they are 
able to fly. Trust me, a small single engine aircraft is nothing like a 
commercial airliner. 

Millions are spent on flight simulators because the planes are very expensive 
to replace or even repair. They are made to simulate real flight as close as 
possible. Air Force training in the US has a proven track record to why flight 
simulators were made. Test pilots are some of the best and most daring pilots 
the Air Force have. They're job is to push an airplane to its limits. 
Unfortunately, they're difficult to replace and the Air Force doesn't like 
losing a test pilot. Many were lost in the 1940s and 1950s when airplane 
velocities and altitudes were such that it was difficult or impossible to 
survive a crash. Even the ejector seat (which was only fully tested for the 
USAF after WWII) is only usable close to the ground where there is no hope of a 
chance to recover the aircraft. Let's put it this way, supersonic tests of the 
ejector seat were less than successful. 

While you do have to do a lot of studying, you don't have to know everything 
before stepping inside one. It's a very good learning tool, and sometimes you 
do have someone on the outside giving you help (as you might in the real world 
with ATCs). In this case, you can learn far more by doing.

Let it be said though that I'm certainly not saying that people in these sorts 
of jobs aren't intellectual or don't know anything. It's quite the opposite. 
They know probably more about their fields than we do about horn playing. 
However, in these fields you have to realize you will not know everything and 
there will always be unexpected things you have to deal with.

The point is, the technology is an addition, and is not a detriment. It is a 
practice aid, a tool, and at times, a life saver. You simply could not have 
modern aviation without it.

-William

 

 


 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sun, Jun 20, 2010 1:45 am
Subject: Re: [Hornlist] New app for horn fingerings


I have a best friend who is a commercial pilot. You couldn't be more incorrect 

about this.



-William



 





A flight simulator just simulates the reality, the real flight  



situations, but it does not



give you the advice where to push any button or which button. You have  



to  solve



an inflight problem with your right action. The inflight problem is  



voluntarily set by the instructor



or by the programer.







And, if you do not understand the flying rules and the aerodynamic  



facts (requires a certain



amount of special studies), you will not be able to solve the problem.







That´s the same as treating a musical instrument, but with the one big  



difference, that in flight reality



(not in the simulator) lives will be in danger of peril.







 



 





 



 



-----Original Message-----

From: Hans Pizka <[email protected]>

To: The Horn List <[email protected]>

Sent: Sun, Jun 20, 2010 12:58 am

Subject: Re: [Hornlist] New app for horn fingerings





A flight simulator just simulates the reality, the real flight  



situations, but it does not



give you the advice where to push any button or which button. You have  



to  solve



an inflight problem with your right action. The inflight problem is  



voluntarily set by the instructor



or by the programer.







And, if you do not understand the flying rules and the aerodynamic  



facts (requires a certain



amount of special studies), you will not be able to solve the problem.







That´s the same as treating a musical instrument, but with the one big  



difference, that in flight reality



(not in the simulator) lives will be in danger of peril.







##############################################################################



Am 20.06.2010 um 04:11 schrieb [email protected]:







> By your logic there would be no need for flight simulators.



>



> Yet, some of the best pilots in the world have spent many hours  



> training in flight simulators.



>



> Software, when done right, can be an excellent training tool.



>



> -William



>



>



>



>



>



>



>



>



>



>



> -----Original Message-----



> From: Hans Pizka <[email protected]>



> To: The Horn List <[email protected]>



> Sent: Sat, Jun 19, 2010 3:30 pm



> Subject: Re: [Hornlist] New app for horn fingerings



>



>



> William, again it is your wrong approach to the things. We do not talk



>



> here about the costs comparison



>



> between a Porsche and a good horn. The issue is about fingering



>



> technique on a given tool/machine, how



>



> to learn & train them. This is most related with the software in our



>



> brain.



>



>



>



> If you have no idea about plus & minus, the best computer software



>



> will not be able to assist you to learn



>



> the difference between plus & minus. If you have no ideas about the



>



> natural pitches series and the



>



> distance between the different steps of this series, you cannot



>



> understand what fingerings to use, means which



>



> tube to select. Understanding the things & the rules has to be learned



>



> first, real understanding, not just hammering



>



> the fingerings into ones brain by whatever methode or program.



>



>



>



> If one refuses to understand that rule, he or she will go "crap"



>



> sooner or later.



>



>



>



> #######################################################################################



>



> Am 19.06.2010 um 16:00 schrieb [email protected]:



>



>



>



>> There's a great deal of difference between the automobile and a horn



>



>> though. Most people turn their heads and admire a Porsche. Those



>



>> same people don't really think twice when they see a shiny  



>> instrument.



>



>>



>



>> Plus, an expensive car is a feat of engineering that is much more



>



>> highly advanced than the most expensive horn out there.



>



>>



>



>> Not to take away from the hard work that goes into making a horn,



>



>> but car companies have billions to spend and customers that are



>



>> willing to pay upwards of $100,000.



>



>>



>



>> -William



>



>>



>



>> -----Original Message-----



>



>> From: Hans Pizka <[email protected]>



>



>> To: The Horn List <[email protected]>



>



>> Sent: Sat, Jun 19, 2010 1:27 am



>



>> Subject: Re: [Hornlist] New app for horn fingerings



>



>>



>



>>



>



>> Bravo John, bravo.



>



>>



>



>> What is so difficult about the fingering ? The harmonic series is a



>



>> physical



>



>> fact, so is the shortening or elongation of the tube by the valves.



>



>> Every simple brain can



>



>> calculate what fingerings to use for any note. Well, some notes are



>



>> possible on several



>



>> tubes, if we think of acceptable results. Some notes are better in



>



>> tune on the one



>



>> tube, some on the other tube length.



>



>>



>



>> Buying a device or program, which does that calculation for us, is



>



>> of NO USE



>



>> certainly, as it contributes NOTHING to our brain training. To



>



>> acquire certain



>



>> skill, it needs good teaching & a lot of intelligent practice.



>



>>



>



>> William brought up the automobile as comparison. Well, this is also



>



>> a tool



>



>> as is our horn. People also laugh watching our shiny brass snail,



>



>> seeing it



>



>> the first time.



>



>>



>



>> This iCrap goes about self teaching not about the machine. What do



>



>> you learn



>



>> in a driving school ? How an engine is built ? You will learn the



>



>> traffic rules



>



>> and how to move through the traffic safely. So we do in the horn



>



>> lessons.



>



>>



>



>> We learn how to use the given different tubes by selecting them for



>



>> different



>



>> pitches.



>



>>



>



>> We learn how to "ride the overtones". We learn rhythm, melody,



>



>> transpose,



>



>> etc. We might learn, how to name the different parts of the



>



>> instrument. That



>



>> might be the only thing in common with the driving course.



>



>>



>



>> Learning music is not that simple, it is a most complex product of



>



>> our brain,



>



>> and, as newest studies confirm, an inherited ability: the cognitive



>



>> audio visual



>



>> ability to remember acoustical sensations and the ability to  



>> transform



>



>> black dots within a certain line system into more or less complex



>



>> acoustical



>



>> sensations. Good musicians can hear a piece only by reading the  



>> score.



>



>



>



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