1. I don't know if they are still doing it but for many years the US Navy required a 24 hour break between training in a flight simulator and actual aircraft. There were a number of flight accidents that had occured when pilots went from simulator to actual a/c. No other correlation existed and they couldn't pin to any factor. It was troubling enough that this action was taken.
In the early 1990s a United Airlines Jet lost hyraulic control to its rear control surfaces. The plane made a near miraculous landing at Souix City. Airline flight standards pilots tried multiple times to recreate that landing in a flight simulator, but could not. On Jun 20, 2010, at 7:48 AM, Christina Barkan <[email protected]> wrote: > > I woke up way to early this morning and having nothing else to do > and at the risk of getting flamed, I will add my 2 cents to this > thread. I really do think you two are saying the same thing. I don't > believe that the flight simulators tell you how to solve the problem > by flashing 'push here' instructions in your face which is what the > fingering app software does. You have to understand the problem and > solve the problem by thinking about how to solve it, developing > reaction time along the way, and that comes from intense studying > the hard way. It supplies an incredibly useful, and necessary, tool > when taking an airplane up in the sky is impractical and potentially > harmful. > > Now, at the risk of really getting flamed, I think the fingering app > software may have some value. I have only been playing the horn for > two years since putting it away in 1972. Fingerings are not > intrinsically in my fingers yet. I understand what they need to be > but my brain to finger connection doesn't come naturally yet. Many > times I have trouble going to sleep (yes I have sleep issues) and I > mentally review the fingerings for scales and the passages I am > working on. I make my fingers move, hopefully correctly, while I'm > doing this and I can feel in my fingers where a fingering is awkward > and that another solution would be better. I know what the other > solution might be because I have studied the fingerings and then I > try that in my head. Sometimes I may not be selecting the correct > fingering. Where is the harm in having my iPhone laying on my chest > and pushing the software generated buttons, not looking at them, and > hearing that what I'm doing is correct? I am not suggest > ing in any way that this would replace the hard work needed on the > horn. I see it potentially as an additional tool that can be used > when putting the horn on ones face is completely impractical. > Another situation would be on a subway train while commuting for > example. I really don't see how this can hurt. (It is true that I'm > not sure how the F /Bb trigger works.) If the software is used to > replace time spent on the horn, or to try to avoid learning the hard > way, that's bad. I'm just suggesting that there are some possible > uses for it that may help some students. The current marketing for > the software implies that this software can replace work done on the > horn. That's bad marketing. It doesn't necessarily mean it's bad > software. > > Sincerely, > Tina > 4th Chair, Riverhead Community Band > 4th Chair, Shoreham Wading River Community Band > www.newhornist.com > > > > > On Jun 20, 2010, at 5:17 AM, Hans Pizka wrote: > >> William, >> >> now you made me really angry by your inability to understand things. >> You cannot mix pears & apples. >> Nobody is perfect prepared for every extreme situation which might >> happen due to certain circumstances, which cannot >> be anticipated (see volcanic ash cloud, giant waves in the ocean, >> earthquakes, helicopter falling down mid in town, etc.), >> but everybody can be prepared to master nearly every "variable" in >> his >> or her profession by proper training, >> which simply begins with understanding how things work or how the >> rules are. The proper training includes >> exercises as well, but the exercises alone will not bring any value >> if >> the rules are not understood. Without understanding >> the rules & the "mechanics" of things & actions, one will remain >> helpless in extreme situations, >> no m atter inside any simulator or in reality. >> >> Why simulators were built, dear William, you do not need to explain >> that to me. This is common knowledge. Or would you assume >> I would advocate learning these things with life airplanes & live >> passengers ? How stupid do you think were other people ? >> Or would you say, I would advocate car accident experiments with life >> passengers instead of dummies ? >> >> Learning by doing, yes, but this is the second step, not the first. >> Theory comes first. Understanding. >> >> What I advocated, was: learning understand the things & rules first, >> but not with prechewed learn-ware. >> When I was in school, we did not have the system of "just mark the >> right answer by a cross", we had to think about the answer & >> formulate >> the answer in undertstandable sentences. Quite a difference to todays >> school system. >> >> But all this is not comparable with the horn. IS IT TOO MUCH, to >> understand & remember the scales, the harmonics & the >> possible fingerings ? Is it too much to find out the "alternate" >> fingerings ? Is it too difficult to write the several series of >> natural >> pitches, one above the other e.g. in double lines (written pitch & >> concert pitch) BY YOURSELF, to find out the alternating fingerings ? >> Way too much for many, it seems. >> >> PS: Do you know, who constructed the first ejector seat ? >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> post: [email protected] >> unsubscribe or set options at >> https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/tina.barkan%40mac.com > > _______________________________________________ > post: [email protected] > unsubscribe or set options at > https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net _______________________________________________ post: [email protected] unsubscribe or set options at https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
