Then next time let a robot make a child. PS: Well, one sided opinions deserve rudeness. You never answer to the point, just around.
###################################################### Am 11.07.2010 um 20:14 schrieb [email protected]: > > Keep your opinions to yourself, especially if they are offensive and > rude. > > Stick to the facts, please. > > I'm sorry, but I don't feel there is anything spiritual or religious > about anything we do. It can be measured. It can be reproduced. To > see the human mind for what it is is in no way degrading what it can > do or insulting it. To paraphrase Richard Dawkins, I can appreciate > the fountain in a garden without thinking that there are fairies at > the bottom of it. > > The human mind, although powerful, is not infinite. It has to obey > the laws of physics just like everything else. > > > > > -William > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Hans Pizka <[email protected]> > To: The Horn List <[email protected]> > Sent: Sun, Jul 11, 2010 2:08 pm > Subject: Re: [Hornlist] About those brass playing robots... > > > William, this is the most idiotic contribution I ever read here on the > > list. > > > > Do you really believe, a programmed performance executed by machines > > programmed by humans anyway > > result in a satisfying performance ? Only computer people could assume > > such nonsense. > > > > The feeling cannot be programmed, as it is different at every > > performance. This is the exciting factor of a live performance. > > > > Yes, I agree with you, that a robotic performance could arrive at > > perfection, but never comparable to a human performance. > > > > You seem to be a maniac of a computer perfection centralized view of > > the things, if I or others post to the list about the "human > > software" (our brain). > > > > Do you really believe, one could program robots in a way, they could > > produce the excitement of a performance under Carlos Kleiober, > perhaps ? > > > > I would recommend, that you consult a psychatrist as soon as possible. > > Something must be very wrong with you. > > > > From school time (the Johannes Keppler Gymnasium in Linz, nearly 500 > > yerars existing) I remember our biologist > > saying: "Give me 5 billion years time, and I will create a human by > > myself !"- Haeretic ? I know a faster way. > > > > ################################################################################################################# > > Am 11.07.2010 um 18:43 schrieb [email protected]: > > > >> > >> It's existentialism time. > >> > >> Imagine if you will a robotic orchestra which can copy every single > >> nuance, inflextion, etc. of a human orchestral performance. In other > >> words, take every action done by a human orchestra and program it > >> into a robotic orchestra so that everything is copied to the letter. > >> What you'd end up with is an exact copy of the human orchestra just > >> as if the human orchestra was recorded. > >> > >> But wait, we already have something similar in terms of actual > >> recordings! > >> > >> If you go down to a major library you could easily find writings > >> from people 100 years ago who argued that recorded sound would > >> eliminate all live recordings. Yet, today, we still have many live > >> performances and many recordings from live performances. They > >> haven't gone away. > >> > >> You could also make the argument that playing electronic instruments > >> removes the human factor from making sound by that logic. > >> > >> No matter what, you're not going to get around the fact that people > >> made the robots. People programmed them. People are behind their > >> actions. We are telling them exactly what to do. They do not think. > >> They are not self-aware. They are not sentient. Does a story change > >> simply because it is written down and read later? Does a performance > >> change because it was recorded at one time and performed for others > >> later on a digital recording? > >> > >> > >> You're not really removing the act of performance. You're just > >> shifting it to the person who has to control the machinery. You > >> still have to have a human to write the music for it or make the > >> machines or program them. Times change. Technology is exponentially > >> growing. We will have to adapt to it. Even if all orchestras > >> tomorrow were suddenly replaced with machines we would still have > >> some demand for humans to perform music. > >> > >> I say let the technology grow. I'm not burdened by it nor am I > >> frightened. Humans are good at adapting. > >> > >> -William > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Hans Pizka <[email protected]> > >> To: The Horn List <[email protected]> > >> Sent: Sun, Jul 11, 2010 12:29 pm > >> Subject: Re: [Hornlist] About those brass playing robots... > >> > >> > >> Have you ever heard about sampled sounds ? Write music with Finale or > >> > >> Sibelius, > >> > >> use Garritan sound bank & listen. It sounds reasonable, even much > >> > >> better than > >> > >> most Sunday-afternoon-orchestras or weekend orchestra, BUT - > >> > >> it is missing the human factor of sound coloring completely. > >> > >> > >> > >> I work with Finale since CODA issued this program. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> post: [email protected] > >> unsubscribe or set options at >> https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/hpizka%40me.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > post: [email protected] > > unsubscribe or set options at > https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/valkhorn%40aol.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > post: [email protected] > unsubscribe or set options at > https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/hpizka%40me.com _______________________________________________ post: [email protected] unsubscribe or set options at https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
