Hans Pizka's opinions have been valued by hornists around the world for many years. How sad that you take his thoughts to be rude, when indeed they are true. So William, do you forward to the time when we have robots teaching other robots how to play Mahler (who was NOT a robot) ? Hopefully I won't be around ! ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2010 2:14 PM Subject: Re: [Hornlist] About those brass playing robots...
> > Keep your opinions to yourself, especially if they are offensive and rude. > > Stick to the facts, please. > > I'm sorry, but I don't feel there is anything spiritual or religious about > anything we do. It can be measured. It can be reproduced. To see the human > mind for what it is is in no way degrading what it can do or insulting it. > To paraphrase Richard Dawkins, I can appreciate the fountain in a garden > without thinking that there are fairies at the bottom of it. > > The human mind, although powerful, is not infinite. It has to obey the > laws of physics just like everything else. > > > > > -William > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Hans Pizka <[email protected]> > To: The Horn List <[email protected]> > Sent: Sun, Jul 11, 2010 2:08 pm > Subject: Re: [Hornlist] About those brass playing robots... > > > William, this is the most idiotic contribution I ever read here on the > > list. > > > > Do you really believe, a programmed performance executed by machines > > programmed by humans anyway > > result in a satisfying performance ? Only computer people could assume > > such nonsense. > > > > The feeling cannot be programmed, as it is different at every > > performance. This is the exciting factor of a live performance. > > > > Yes, I agree with you, that a robotic performance could arrive at > > perfection, but never comparable to a human performance. > > > > You seem to be a maniac of a computer perfection centralized view of > > the things, if I or others post to the list about the "human > > software" (our brain). > > > > Do you really believe, one could program robots in a way, they could > > produce the excitement of a performance under Carlos Kleiober, perhaps ? > > > > I would recommend, that you consult a psychatrist as soon as possible. > > Something must be very wrong with you. > > > > From school time (the Johannes Keppler Gymnasium in Linz, nearly 500 > > yerars existing) I remember our biologist > > saying: "Give me 5 billion years time, and I will create a human by > > myself !"- Haeretic ? I know a faster way. > > > > ################################################################################################################# > > Am 11.07.2010 um 18:43 schrieb [email protected]: > > > >> > >> It's existentialism time. > >> > >> Imagine if you will a robotic orchestra which can copy every single > >> nuance, inflextion, etc. of a human orchestral performance. In other > >> words, take every action done by a human orchestra and program it > >> into a robotic orchestra so that everything is copied to the letter. > >> What you'd end up with is an exact copy of the human orchestra just > >> as if the human orchestra was recorded. > >> > >> But wait, we already have something similar in terms of actual > >> recordings! > >> > >> If you go down to a major library you could easily find writings > >> from people 100 years ago who argued that recorded sound would > >> eliminate all live recordings. Yet, today, we still have many live > >> performances and many recordings from live performances. They > >> haven't gone away. > >> > >> You could also make the argument that playing electronic instruments > >> removes the human factor from making sound by that logic. > >> > >> No matter what, you're not going to get around the fact that people > >> made the robots. People programmed them. People are behind their > >> actions. We are telling them exactly what to do. They do not think. > >> They are not self-aware. They are not sentient. Does a story change > >> simply because it is written down and read later? Does a performance > >> change because it was recorded at one time and performed for others > >> later on a digital recording? > >> > >> > >> You're not really removing the act of performance. You're just > >> shifting it to the person who has to control the machinery. You > >> still have to have a human to write the music for it or make the > >> machines or program them. Times change. Technology is exponentially > >> growing. We will have to adapt to it. Even if all orchestras > >> tomorrow were suddenly replaced with machines we would still have > >> some demand for humans to perform music. > >> > >> I say let the technology grow. I'm not burdened by it nor am I > >> frightened. Humans are good at adapting. > >> > >> -William > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Hans Pizka <[email protected]> > >> To: The Horn List <[email protected]> > >> Sent: Sun, Jul 11, 2010 12:29 pm > >> Subject: Re: [Hornlist] About those brass playing robots... > >> > >> > >> Have you ever heard about sampled sounds ? Write music with Finale or > >> > >> Sibelius, > >> > >> use Garritan sound bank & listen. It sounds reasonable, even much > >> > >> better than > >> > >> most Sunday-afternoon-orchestras or weekend orchestra, BUT - > >> > >> it is missing the human factor of sound coloring completely. > >> > >> > >> > >> I work with Finale since CODA issued this program. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> post: [email protected] > >> unsubscribe or set options at >> https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/hpizka%40me.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > post: [email protected] > > unsubscribe or set options at > https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/valkhorn%40aol.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > post: [email protected] > unsubscribe or set options at > https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/amegenity%40comcast.net > _______________________________________________ post: [email protected] unsubscribe or set options at https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
