It´s theory that humans are able to hear pitches up to 20.000 Hz, but very few 
do it.
Just feeling it or just noticing it is not enough. I talked about 
distinguishing a certain
pitch. That makes the difference.

And, aren´t there surveys about hearing abilities in our societies ? Didn´t they
come out telling us, that the hearing abilities not only of the elderly are 
fading out, but
also of the younger & the very young generations as being exposed to the 
acoustical
pollution or self imposed extreme noise high & sublow with high amplitudes ???

Please, William, do not start another war of words, as we do not disagree on 
the matter, 
but we view it from different standpoints only. You go for the mere facts, 
perhaps, while 
I go for the qualities of the hearing sense, perhaps.

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Am 11.11.2010 um 18:32 schrieb [email protected]:

> It's not theory. You either hear the pitches or you do not. Hearing tests  
> are pretty objective. You are given a range of frequencies for both ears and 
> you  either hear them or do you don't.
> 
> I can not only hear pitches above 5,000 hz, but I can distinguish whether  
> or not I'm hearing them.
> 
> -William
> 
> 
> In a message dated 11/11/2010 11:13:01 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
> [email protected] writes:
> 
> In  theory, just in theory. But you cannot hear nor distinguish a certain 
> pitch  above 5.000 Hz.
> 
> And a greater majority of all people in our westernized  society has severe 
> hearing loss. 
> 
> But I admit, you might feel the  extreme high pitches, - even painful in 
> your ear, or the extreme
> low  pitches in your stomache - can make you  vomiting.
> 
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> Am  11.11.2010 um 17:53 schrieb [email protected]:
> 
>> The human ear can  usually hear from 20Hz to 20,000Hz. 
>> 
>> If you cannot hear above  5,000 Hz, then you probably have severe hearing 
> 
>> loss.
>> 
>> _http://www.noiseaddicts.com/2009/03/can-you-hear-this-hearing-test/_  
>> (http://www.noiseaddicts.com/2009/03/can-you-hear-this-hearing-test/)  
>> 
>> I have only halfway decent speakers - so I probably can't  output the 
> higher 
>> frequencies. I made it to 12kHz only. It must be  all that time near 
> large  
>> computer equipment, or my  speakers.
>> 
>> -William
>> 
>> 
>> In a message  dated 11/11/2010 10:48:20 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
>> [email protected] writes:
>> 
>> Hello  Hans Illich,
>> 
>> good calculation, 
>> but A-5000 corresponds to a 4-times   smaller E-flat 0,44% sharp, 
>> if we take A=440 as the base. 
>> 
>> Based  upon A=440: E-flat=311,13
>> the corresponding  fraction of 5000 be 312,50  which is 0,44% sharp.
>> This E-flat  near 5000 Hz  would be 22Hz sharp  and be in the 5th octave 
> =  
>> E-flat´´´´´
>> thus exceeding most peoples hearing   capabilities.
>> 
>> Or explained musically:
>> two octaves  higher than the  notated high E-flat, written with 3 ledger 
>> lines above staff
>> in concert  notation (=sound as written). It  might be notated as trebble 
>> clef plus "octava  2" above
>> or similar. 
>> 
>> It would also mean, that A-5000 does not   exist, if we go after human 
>> naming of pitches.
>> 
>> Mei  liawa ! Oba bist  guad im kalkulian. Liawe  griass
>> 
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