Exactly .
############################################## Am 12.11.2010 um 10:24 schrieb Michiel van der Linden: > Maybe it's a semantics thing. For me the word pitch implies the actual note > value we place on a certain frequency, i.e. A=440. > > I interpret Hans's statements in the line of "we can hear sounds above 5000 > Hz but can not accurately say when we hear a note that high whether it's a > C, an E flat or an F sharp" > Which is correct, it's the way the nerves between ear and brain work. > > We *can* distinguish between different frequencies that high, (which is > probably what you're saying) but we can not extract useful musical > information out of them (which is what Hans is saying). > > > > > On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 09:45, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> That is QUITE different from saying "we can neither hear nor distinguish >> pitches above 5000Hz" (what Hans said). >> >> In fact - that's in line with what I have been saying all along. >> >> -William >> >> >> In a message dated 11/12/2010 2:40:23 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, >> [email protected] writes: >> >> Sure we can hear above 5000 Hz unless there is severe hearing damage. >> It is however very hard to discern and name actual *pitches* in and above >> that region. The way our neurons pass the information to our brain only >> functions optimally up to 5000 Hz. >> >> http://www.newmusicbox.org/article.nmbx?id=4077 >> >> >> >> On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 00:43, <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> You're right, how foolish of me to base my opinions on facts... >>> >>> -William >>> >>> >>> In a message dated 11/11/2010 12:56:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >>> [email protected] writes: >>> >>> It´s theory that humans are able to hear pitches up to 20.000 Hz, but >> very >>> few do it. >>> Just feeling it or just noticing it is not enough. I talked about >>> distinguishing a certain >>> pitch. That makes the difference. >>> >>> And, aren´t there surveys about hearing abilities in our societies ? >>> Didn´t they >>> come out telling us, that the hearing abilities not only of the >> elderly >>> are fading out, but >>> also of the younger & the very young generations as being exposed to >> the >>> acoustical >>> pollution or self imposed extreme noise high & sublow with high >> amplitudes >>> ??? >>> >>> Please, William, do not start another war of words, as we do not >> disagree >>> on the matter, >>> but we view it from different standpoints only. You go for the mere >> facts, >>> perhaps, while >>> I go for the qualities of the hearing sense, perhaps. >>> >>> ################################################################### >>> Am 11.11.2010 um 18:32 schrieb [email protected]: >>> >>>> It's not theory. You either hear the pitches or you do not. Hearing >>> tests >>>> are pretty objective. You are given a range of frequencies for both >> ears >>> and >>>> you either hear them or do you don't. >>>> >>>> I can not only hear pitches above 5,000 hz, but I can distinguish >>> whether >>>> or not I'm hearing them. >>>> >>>> -William >>>> >>>> >>>> In a message dated 11/11/2010 11:13:01 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, >>>> [email protected] writes: >>>> >>>> In theory, just in theory. But you cannot hear nor distinguish a >>> certain >>>> pitch above 5.000 Hz. >>>> >>>> And a greater majority of all people in our westernized society has >>> severe >>>> hearing loss. >>>> >>>> But I admit, you might feel the extreme high pitches, - even painful >> in >>> >>>> your ear, or the extreme >>>> low pitches in your stomache - can make you vomiting. >>>> >>>> >> ######################################################################## >>>> Am 11.11.2010 um 17:53 schrieb [email protected]: >>>> >>>>> The human ear can usually hear from 20Hz to 20,000Hz. >>>>> >>>>> If you cannot hear above 5,000 Hz, then you probably have severe >>> hearing >>>> >>>>> loss. >>>>> >>>>> _ >> http://www.noiseaddicts.com/2009/03/can-you-hear-this-hearing-test/_ >>>>> >> (http://www.noiseaddicts.com/2009/03/can-you-hear-this-hearing-test/) >>>>> >>>>> I have only halfway decent speakers - so I probably can't output >> the >>>> higher >>>>> frequencies. I made it to 12kHz only. It must be all that time >> near >>>> large >>>>> computer equipment, or my speakers. >>>>> >>>>> -William >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> In a message dated 11/11/2010 10:48:20 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, >>>>> [email protected] writes: >>>>> >>>>> Hello Hans Illich, >>>>> >>>>> good calculation, >>>>> but A-5000 corresponds to a 4-times smaller E-flat 0,44% sharp, >>>>> if we take A=440 as the base. >>>>> >>>>> Based upon A=440: E-flat=311,13 >>>>> the corresponding fraction of 5000 be 312,50 which is 0,44% >> sharp. >>>>> This E-flat near 5000 Hz would be 22Hz sharp and be in the 5th >>> octave >>>> = >>>>> E-flat´´´´´ >>>>> thus exceeding most peoples hearing capabilities. >>>>> >>>>> Or explained musically: >>>>> two octaves higher than the notated high E-flat, written with 3 >>> ledger >>>>> lines above staff >>>>> in concert notation (=sound as written). It might be notated as >>> trebble >>>>> clef plus "octava 2" above >>>>> or similar. >>>>> >>>>> It would also mean, that A-5000 does not exist, if we go after >> human >>>>> naming of pitches. >>>>> >>>>> Mei liawa ! Oba bist guad im kalkulian. 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