That is QUITE different from saying "we can neither hear nor distinguish pitches above 5000Hz" (what Hans said). In fact - that's in line with what I have been saying all along. -William In a message dated 11/12/2010 2:40:23 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes:
Sure we can hear above 5000 Hz unless there is severe hearing damage. It is however very hard to discern and name actual *pitches* in and above that region. The way our neurons pass the information to our brain only functions optimally up to 5000 Hz. http://www.newmusicbox.org/article.nmbx?id=4077 On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 00:43, <[email protected]> wrote: > You're right, how foolish of me to base my opinions on facts... > > -William > > > In a message dated 11/11/2010 12:56:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > It´s theory that humans are able to hear pitches up to 20.000 Hz, but very > few do it. > Just feeling it or just noticing it is not enough. I talked about > distinguishing a certain > pitch. That makes the difference. > > And, aren´t there surveys about hearing abilities in our societies ? > Didn´t they > come out telling us, that the hearing abilities not only of the elderly > are fading out, but > also of the younger & the very young generations as being exposed to the > acoustical > pollution or self imposed extreme noise high & sublow with high amplitudes > ??? > > Please, William, do not start another war of words, as we do not disagree > on the matter, > but we view it from different standpoints only. You go for the mere facts, > perhaps, while > I go for the qualities of the hearing sense, perhaps. > > ################################################################### > Am 11.11.2010 um 18:32 schrieb [email protected]: > > > It's not theory. You either hear the pitches or you do not. Hearing > tests > > are pretty objective. You are given a range of frequencies for both ears > and > > you either hear them or do you don't. > > > > I can not only hear pitches above 5,000 hz, but I can distinguish > whether > > or not I'm hearing them. > > > > -William > > > > > > In a message dated 11/11/2010 11:13:01 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > > [email protected] writes: > > > > In theory, just in theory. But you cannot hear nor distinguish a > certain > > pitch above 5.000 Hz. > > > > And a greater majority of all people in our westernized society has > severe > > hearing loss. > > > > But I admit, you might feel the extreme high pitches, - even painful in > > > your ear, or the extreme > > low pitches in your stomache - can make you vomiting. > > > > ######################################################################## > > Am 11.11.2010 um 17:53 schrieb [email protected]: > > > >> The human ear can usually hear from 20Hz to 20,000Hz. > >> > >> If you cannot hear above 5,000 Hz, then you probably have severe > hearing > > > >> loss. > >> > >> _http://www.noiseaddicts.com/2009/03/can-you-hear-this-hearing-test/_ > >> (http://www.noiseaddicts.com/2009/03/can-you-hear-this-hearing-test/) > >> > >> I have only halfway decent speakers - so I probably can't output the > > higher > >> frequencies. I made it to 12kHz only. It must be all that time near > > large > >> computer equipment, or my speakers. > >> > >> -William > >> > >> > >> In a message dated 11/11/2010 10:48:20 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > >> [email protected] writes: > >> > >> Hello Hans Illich, > >> > >> good calculation, > >> but A-5000 corresponds to a 4-times smaller E-flat 0,44% sharp, > >> if we take A=440 as the base. > >> > >> Based upon A=440: E-flat=311,13 > >> the corresponding fraction of 5000 be 312,50 which is 0,44% sharp. > >> This E-flat near 5000 Hz would be 22Hz sharp and be in the 5th > octave > > = > >> E-flat´´´´´ > >> thus exceeding most peoples hearing capabilities. > >> > >> Or explained musically: > >> two octaves higher than the notated high E-flat, written with 3 > ledger > >> lines above staff > >> in concert notation (=sound as written). It might be notated as > trebble > >> clef plus "octava 2" above > >> or similar. > >> > >> It would also mean, that A-5000 does not exist, if we go after human > >> naming of pitches. > >> > >> Mei liawa ! Oba bist guad im kalkulian. 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