Hi Chris,

> I concur with Jon and other people that the advantages of the use of HTTPS far outweigh the disadvantages

Yes and if this was about having a HTTPS site you would have a point.

Let's review what everyone said.

Jon's email has 2 points,

> 1. Better SEO (not sure whether that's a thing that HPR will care *that* much about?) > 2. Reducing the risk of your ISP/Law Enforcement Community/Malicious nare-do-well being able to man-in-the-middle a connection between you (the browser/listener) and the web server, and inject content without there being some sort of obvious injection.

Both are covered by the fact we have a HTTPS site in place. Just to make clear what I said before, if there are any cases when you are browsing the HTTPS site and you are getting HTTP content then that is a bug which we will fix.

Kevin pointed out that if he goes to the http version of a site his "https everywhere" extension will send him to the https version.

Jon pointed out that that extension has been dropped and linked to the EFF page which says "Now that world is closer than ever, with mainstream browsers offering native support for an HTTPS-only mode."

> https://developers.google.com/search/blog/2014/08/https-as-ranking-signal

> And that goes back seven years.

Back in 2014 we got a lot of emails from Google about moving to HTTPS. Which we did, and issues they found, which we fixed. We still get regular emails whenever there is anything that the self appointed rulers of the Internet feel would hamper our SEO there.

So let's be clear what you are suggesting is that we remove the option of having a http site on port 80 and force everyone to the https site on 443.

That will prevent claudio "vintage" computers from accessing the site easily. It will also prevent low cost IOT devices  like the ESP32's from connecting to the site. They should all be using https as well but to get the initial connection there is the http option available.

So given that Google have no issues with our current situation, and that the EFF are happy as browsers will automatically redirect to the HTTPS version, and that it will make life harder for hackers, I still see no argument for turning off http.

Again what am I missing ?

--
Regards,

Ken Fallon (PA7KEN,G5KEN)
https://kenfallon.com
https://hackerpublicradio.org/hosts/ken_fallon


On 2021-12-16 07:28, Christoph wrote:
https://developers.google.com/search/blog/2014/08/https-as-ranking-signal

And that goes back seven years.

It's safe to assume that search engines like Google nowadays put more and more emphasis on HTTPS vs. HTTP for the reasons mentioned. I concur with Jon and other people that the advantages of the use of HTTPS far outweigh the disadvantages - that's precisely the reason why top-ranking sites have moved to a HTTPS-only approach
long ago.

So if we are serious about the episodes being found on search engine result pages and thus improving HPR's popularity in general, I propose putting a 301 in place.

    Cheers, Chris

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