> That may be the case as it is certainly a point of contention > with me. The > code base was taken in its entirety from Thomas Mueller and > there really > hasn't been any significant changes in the code and there > certainly hasn't > been much in the way of leadership despite all good intentions. > > Speaking with Thomas Mueller I know that he can't participate in the > development of the new project he is really the principle of > anything to do > with hsqldb. How is it that a single person becomes the > principle of an open > source project that precluded the involvement of all other > developers from > the direction of the project? I have spoken with numerous > developers who > have had an interested and have been discouraged by either the lack of > response or lack of direction.
>From my first email about trying to give the project a new home, I've never wanted to do anything other that work on improving the engine itself. All of the structure and corporation stuff was setup by Michael. > somewhat dubious to me. This project will certainly not move > forward with a > principle that has yet to comment on any of the discussions > going on and a > principle who can't find the time to get email access. Even given the > current situation where Michael may be indisposed none of the > design issue > that you have mentioned were cohesively collected for public review. Given that Michael was in Afghanistan the last time I heard from him, I think your assumptions about what he should be doing are a bit presumptuous. Nobody involved owes you or anyone else anything with regards to this project. The discussions about the new architecture took place on the discussion forums. I found the debate regarding the different parser generators in about a minute when I looked just now. > > This was a hobby project for me, graciously permitted by my > > employer. I can't access CVS at Sourceforge from here. I > will never > > believe that putting an empty tree in CVS and working in > plain site would > > have done anything other than generate annoyances for me. > > Again this is not a very open source way of thinking. Any > sort of design > document or jottings are helpful to people looking at the > project. It's is > definitely nice to have a working codebase, but time rarely > permits this. > Case in point, I have been redesigning Turbine at Jakarta > for quite some > time. It's taken a lot longer than I expected but I keep my > notes in CVS and > though it sometimes generates a lot of questions I don't mind > answering > them. It's helps spread information about the project's future. I'm way too old for you to try to convert. My last "open source" project was written before there was such a term, back in the 80's. (Ok, I just went and looked, I did release something in '91) > Obviously the project wasn't a priority and that's perfectly > fine but it > should have been stated as such. Has been all along. Sorry you weren't around then. > > I agree, however based on what I have seen, I don't think > most of the > > participants in that public discussion would contribute > more than noise, > > database theory is out of reach for most code slingers. > > What? What kind of attitude is that? You have no idea the > access to people > some of us have. So intead of asking the community you assume you are > working with a bunch of people who you feel are unqualified? That's an > attitude that will run the project into the ground. Most of the email I received in the early days was from people who couldn't write SQL statements, much less design a new engine. If there are more qualified developers here now, great, but my early decision was based on what was happening at the time. Now you're free to do it your way, any ranting about how it was done previously is a waste of time and energy. > I will write a proposal to the group so we can decide what to do. The > project is definitely in need of some help and it appears > that most of the > people who have contributed are in favor of some changes to > help get this > project going again. Great! _______________________________________________ hsqldb-developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hsqldb-developers
